Should Chemtrails be separated from Geo-Engineering.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by intrptr

 

Site that Watches Geoengineering

Not a very credible site when it pushes Dutchsinse, and Michael J. Murphy videos.

Show me one that is "very credible".

network dude
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

I am thinking Ron White was correct. You can't fix stupid. It's forever.

Let them wallow in their own brain dead stew. I am done. Throwing in the towel. What is the point?

Really!!! You promise? Somehow I'm now skeptical.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by The GUT

 

Thusly, then, it's still up for grabs and as such should remain an open subject and thereby not have any restrictions placed on its discussion.

Actually it isn't up for grabs especially when the top geoengineering scientist says they aren't related..

And here is the problem with chemtrail believers as they say they want the truth, yet...

That guy is a snake oil salesman, who profits from the global warming myth. His company receives huge government grants to build useless machines! Green Energy scam-artist! Remember Solyndra? Same type of bs artists. Hardly a credible source. More like a propagandist! carbonengineering.com...

Zaphod58
reply to post by rickymouse

 

And then you completely change the engine. Aircraft are extremely sensitive to changes, and a simple change in metals used in the engine can change the characteristics enough that it would be noticed. Even if the flight crew didn't the maintenance crew would.

Stealth aircraft lack of contrails has more to do with detecting and not flying through areas where contrails form and less to do with the engines.

edit on 11/17/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

A new engine design might make more contrails which is normal for the design of the engine. Mechanics and pilots wouldn't question whether there is something abnormal, they would be told it was engine changes that are normal if they asked. That by no way means that the engine was not designed to make more contrails for a specific reason that is not disclosed. There could be alternative motive for what we are seeing. I can't say I believe that more contrails from aircraft has to be just a coincidence. This global warming and geoengeneering need has been realized for a long time. We have been told the Geoeffective effect of our pollution was not happening in the past yet they have been researching how to combat this for at least thirty years. The simplest way to put a reflective cover is to incorporate contrails that could reflect sunlight.

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Please explain to me why David Keith's company, Carbon Engineering is working with Boeing Phantom Works? Why is a most secretive division of Boeing working with a global warming profiteer? I'm eager to hear your thoughts on this.
See links below.

We were excited to have numerous distinguished attendees at DACS, including: Rob Socolow, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ Peter Eisenberger, Global Thermostat, New York, NY Christopher Jones, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA Michael Desmond, BP, Chicago, IL Sasha Mackler, Summit Power Group, Seattle, WA Anthony Galasso, Boeing Phantom Works, Seal Beach, CA David Hawkins, Natural Resources Defense Council, Washington, DC David Keith, Carbon Engineering and Harvard University, Calgary, AB Oliver Morton, The Economist, London, UK Tim Fox, UK Institution of Mechanical Engineers, London, UK Steven Hamburg, Environmental Defense Fund, Washington, DC

carbonengineering.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

Here's more evidence that David Keith is nothing but a radical green agenda fanatic funded by Bill Gates, a known elitist. Infamous for his views on de-population and vaccines in Africa, sterilization and abortions. Geo-engineer the worlds weather to create famine. Mission accomplished!

So the Microsoft (MSFT) billionaire and philanthropist has stepped into the breach to become the world's leading funder of research into geoengineering -- deliberate, large-scale interventions in the earth's climate system intended to prevent climate change and its repercussions. Since 2007, Gates has given about $4.6 million of his money to Caldeira and Keith for geoengineering research. Intellectual Ventures, a private company funded in part by Gates, has explored such technologies as building an 18-mile-long hose, tethered by balloons, that would spray tiny particles into the stratosphere to block the sun's rays. Gates has even attached his name to a patent application for ocean-churning technology designed to sap the strength of hurricanes, which appear to be getting fiercer because of global warming.

Unlike Gates' other passions -- improving the health of the global poor or reforming America's schools -- geoengineering is scary and maybe even a little nuts. (Or a lot nuts: Some enthusiasts talk about exploding nuclear weapons on the moon to shift its orbit to block more of the sun's rays.) The idea isn't new. The first White House report to talk about global warming said that "deliberately bringing about countervailing climatic change," i.e., geoengineering, should "be thoroughly explored." That was back in 1965. But people are paying more attention now because efforts to curb greenhouse gas emissions are failing, miserably. Despite the UN climate negotiations and the Kyoto Protocol, the growth of solar and wind power, and all the talk about the Prius and the curly light bulb, global emissions have risen by 40% -- yes, 40% -- since 1990.

Lately another approach to cooling the planet, with far fewer risks, has attracted the attention of a handful of prominent scientists and several wealthy investors, Gates among them. It's a straightforward, albeit audacious, way to deal with the threat of global warming: Build many thousands of big machines to remove carbon dioxide from the air.

tech.fortune.cnn.com...

There's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in that there global warming hoax!!!

reply to post by Mikeultra

Have you even bothered to watch the discussion? I would say you haven't. A very good example of when people representing two opposite ends of the IQ spectrum meet and talk. You should watch it, you might learn something, god knows it wouldn't do you any harm.

Chemtrail advocates slander anybody who's opinion, in the case of David Keith a professional opinion, doesn't suit their views.

reply to post by Mikeultra

Same type of bs artists. Hardly a credible source. More like a propagandist! carbonengineering.com...

You do understand the man in the video was David Keith the worlds top geoengineering scientist, so how is that hardly a credible source?

When someone has a question that is the man everyone goes tom as he is the top of the food chain when discussing geoengineering.

Also how did you come to the conclusion that carbonengineering.com is a propaganda site?

tsurfer2000h

Also how did you come to the conclusion that carbonengineering.com is a propaganda site?

Probably Alex Jones told him.

Mikeultra
a radical green agenda fanatic

Ever think of getting help?

Mikeultra
Same type of bs artists. Hardly a credible source. More like a propagandist! carbonengineering.com...

apparently they are credible enough for chemise to mistquote and misrepresent as evidence chemtrails exist tho - how do you resolve difference between believing what he says and not believing exactly the same thing??

AS A way of saying you've arrived, being the subject of some carefully contrived paragraphs in the proceedings of a United Nations conference is not as dramatic as playing Wembley or holding a million-man march. But for geoengineering, those paragraphs from the recent conference of the parties to the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) in Nagoya, Japan, marked a definite coming of age. Geoengineering is shorthand for the idea of fixing the problem of man-made climate change once the greenhouse gases that cause it have already been emitted into the atmosphere, rather than trying to stop those emissions happening in the first place. Ideas for such fixes include smogging up the air to reflect more sunlight back into space, sucking in excess carbon dioxide using plants or chemistry, and locking up the glaciers of the world's ice caps so that they cannot fall into the ocean and cause sea levels to rise.

www.economist.com...

"Ideas for such fixes include smogging up the air to reflect more sunlight back into space..."

Sounds like the chem-trails method of operation. This is from the brilliant geo-engineers!

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I never said the website is a propaganda website! I said that global warming is propaganda. What is Boeing Phantom Works doing, working with Carbon Engineering?

Aloysius the Gaul

Mikeultra
Same type of bs artists. Hardly a credible source. More like a propagandist! carbonengineering.com...

apparently they are credible enough for chemise to mistquote and misrepresent as evidence chemtrails exist tho - how do you resolve difference between believing what he says and not believing exactly the same thing??

Gets my goat every time. When the hated geo-engineers say something that fits with the CTers views, they'll quote them for years, but as far as "credibility" goes.......

Why is hypocrisy so abundant when it comes to belief systems?

Boeing Phantom Works Seal Beach, CA

What is the connection with Carbon Engineering? This appears to be Boeings law firm. Possibly connected to the chem-trail campaign.
pview.findlaw.com...

Interesting that it's located right next to Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach!

This company is tied in with Carbon Engineering also. What I'm seeing is that the global warming propagandists are getting filthy rich from their lies. They are responsible for the campaign to use any means at their disposal, including chem-trails, to modify the weather a degree one way or another. Therefore justifying their need to "correct" it. It's a scam! A big green energy scam!

In addition to the federal and state grants received by the Texas Clean Energy Project ($450 million dollars), Summit is expert at successfully obtaining grant, ITC and PTC benefits at the federal and state level for its clients and its own renewable projects. Summit has secured $313 million in investment tax credits for the Texas Clean Energy Project as well as more than $300 million dollars in Federal renewable energy incentives, including Production Tax Credits, Section 1603 Cash Grants and Investment Tax Credits, for wind and solar energy projects it has developed, and has been integrally involved in many other projects receiving benefits from incentive programs.

www.summitpower.com...

Mikeultra
Boeing Phantom Works Seal Beach, CA

What is the connection with Carbon Engineering? This appears to be Boeings law firm.

No!

SAN FRANCISCO — Darryl Davis, president of Boeing Phantom Works, said it is a widely held misconception that his organization is engaged primarily in classified projects. “I don’t know why people think everything we do is under cloak of darkness,” Davis said. “We do things we can’t talk about, but we do an awful lot of really fun stuff we can and do talk about.”

For example, Phantom Works executives can discuss efforts underway to build miniature satellites for the U.S. National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and reusable boosters for the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL). As for the X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle, a suborbital spaceplane scheduled for launch Oct. 30 on a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 booster from NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida, Davis has no comment except to say the program began at Phantom Works before being handed off to Boeing’s Experimental Systems Group in Seal Beach, Calif.

Try doing a little research some time!!

it is the old Mcdonald-Douglas facility that became part of Boeing when they took over McD-D.

Carbon Engineering have a pretty direct interest in aviation:

Carbon Engineering (CE) is commercializing technology to capture carbon dioxide directly from the atmosphere, which we will use to enable production of ultra-low carbon fuels.


Air capture of CO2 enables large facilities to manage emissions from any source or location so that industrial economies of scale can be applied to the large fraction of emissions that come from distributed and mobile sources such as vehicles, airplanes, and buildings. Air capture can provide pure CO2 at point of demand for industrial use, and atmospheric CO2 can be used via multiple production pathways to manufacture ultra-low emissions fuels.

-source

Why wouldn't they be talking??

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Try doing a little research some time!!

What fun is that having to do research when you can just lie about it and hope nobody notices, yet this time somebody noticed.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


So when he said, "we do a lot of stuff we can't talk about..." = CHEM-TRAILS and other "fun stuff" is what that translates to anyone with common sense.

reply to post by Mikeultra

That's the odd thing about "common sense"......it's not that common at all.