Edward Snowden Releases “A Manifesto For The Truth”

I fear for Snowden. The America security apparatus is a vengeful entity that NEVER
Forgives. Ask Khadaffi or Sadam about that. Or any of these other spy’s who got busted
and now waste away in a supermax prison 23 hours a day in a 4 by 6 steel cell. And of
course there’s Bradley Manning. They have to make an example of someone.

They are devising ways and means to get him therefore Snowden has to make as many
friends as he can and make himself a hero or icon that will make it hard for the vengeful
security apparatus of America to lock him up for life in one of those steel rimmed boxes.


Snowden is a good guy certainly not a saint just a human being who probably felt a duty
to rat out the security state…a brave and very dangerous think to do, so if anything he has
great courage.

I don't mind what Snowden did, but going to Russia is extreme. He could have went to another country but Russia is not good and thats why I think he's a traitor.

I don't see anything "new" here that supporters of Snowden didn't already know/believe.

IMO, this is nothing more than a money-raising scheme for Snowden. He has to keep "talking" to 1. pay the bills and 2. stay alive. Let's be real.

This isn't a "manifesto" -- it's a few paragraphs summarizing what he's done and why. I'm sorry, but I'm not terribly excited by this. If he had access to highly classified NSA files, he should have grabbed something more interesting than surveillance activites. Anyone with half a brain, even 20 years ago knew about domestic/foreign commutation spying.

What a waste. If he had the "claimed" access he did, he'd pod-slurp a helluva lot more sensitive material than some amateur powerpoint presentations on PRISM and the like. There's a lot more interesting things than a PM's phone calls out there.

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Pretty sure I will only be able to say this once.... I found a backdoor on a website.

Stay off google. If you are logged in as an email account...log off.

I wish I was kidding...

Snowden is a pawn.

boncho


And so is the catch-22 of life. I can't respect the guy because of it. I put loyalty near the top of the list. If it was someone outside of the industry, then it's entirely different. Problem is, they would never be privy to such information.

Sounds like the Nuremberg defense; "just following orders" is loyalty no?

How would someone outside an industry be privy to information that actually exposes abuse and corruption?

And if he had leaked it to someone else to expose, it's likely it would have been traced back to him and suddenly his Volvo would have gone full throttle and popped the airbag at 120mph late one night...

The NSA basically became the most powerful organization in the world

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No it didn't. It's one a few agencies doing this.

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i don't no about a snowden plant. but other plants are becoming very clear.

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if you believe the NSA needs you to visit a website to steal your data, they don't.
If you're paranoid about getting a virus visiting a website - go to your control panel and to 'programs and files' and uninstall JAVA and never use any website that requires you to install it. Then get the firefox plugin noscript and it wont run any _javascript. Now the internet is boring but safer.

You can run a copy of windows from a virtual machine and browse on that only for an extra layer of security. None of this hides you from the NSA, though

oh and remove most adobe software.

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If its got nothing to do with aliens or an imminent threat to the entire planet, I'm not interested.

They can bug everyone all they want until they're blue in the face.

8675309jenny

boncho


And so is the catch-22 of life. I can't respect the guy because of it. I put loyalty near the top of the list. If it was someone outside of the industry, then it's entirely different. Problem is, they would never be privy to such information.

Sounds like the Nuremberg defense; "just following orders" is loyalty no?

How would someone outside an industry be privy to information that actually exposes abuse and corruption?

And if he had leaked it to someone else to expose, it's likely it would have been traced back to him and suddenly his Volvo would have gone full throttle and popped the airbag at 120mph late one night...

I covered that as well:

Although, the general rule of law across the board is supposed to be, if you see your superiors doing something illegal you are supposed to disseminate it. (Up the proper chain of command.) And since we know how well liked whistle blowers are, I can't fully condemn him either.

Like I said it's a catch 22. If everyone were to try and overthrow the pecking order every time an issue comes up, we would have chaos. Which is why loyalty is held in high regard. Self serving people are able to manipulate scenarios to improve their rise to the top, creating, destroying careers along the way, subverting each authority they need to (without loyalty), but then again, with extreme corruption, no one can even voice a concern when the rulers are breaking the laws they are supposed to protect.

Which it seems to be the case of the latter.

This justifies Snowden in his actions. 3 whistleblowers from the agency had already tried to come forward, but were blocked and one of them even criminally charged.

www.usatoday.com...

When something like this happens, they need an independent special committee or something that has enough power to make changes. Although that doesn't seem to be happening.

christoph
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if you believe the NSA needs you to visit a website to steal your data, they don't.
If you're paranoid about getting a virus visiting a website - go to your control panel and to 'programs and files' and uninstall JAVA and never use any website that requires you to install it. Then get the firefox plugin noscript and it wont run any _javascript. Now the internet is boring but safer.

You can run a copy of windows from a virtual machine and browse on that only for an extra layer of security. None of this hides you from the NSA, though

oh and remove most adobe software.

edit on 5-11-2013 by christoph because: (no reason given)

I'm sure everyone's data is floating around the HAL 3000, I just don't want my computer crashing, like I said, I get that enough from porn.

Willtell
I fear for Snowden. The America security apparatus is a vengeful entity that NEVER
Forgives. Ask Khadaffi or Sadam about that. Or any of these other spy’s who got busted
and now waste away in a supermax prison 23 hours a day in a 4 by 6 steel cell. And of
course there’s Bradley Manning. They have to make an example of someone.


Snowden is a good guy certainly not a saint just a human being who probably felt a duty
to rat out the security state…a brave and very dangerous think to do, so if anything he has
great courage.

I fear for him too, and he is not a failed spy, as someone has remarked. He saw that what was going on was over the line, that there is a need for a new protocol...an electronic equivalent to the Geneva conventions of war, which are broken routinely as it is. He was able to see that an individual's life could/can be destroyed at a whim electronically, forever in the matrix. If anything, Snowden has not said enough. It's a fact now that NSA/NCTC have been spying illegally much farther than even the courts allowed, into any facet of life, and their accusations against Snowden was what they gleaned was THEIR intellectual property, and that Snowden stole it off them, and when the truth is , what the NSA had, was stolen property, and stolen illegally, far beyond the ' courts' given authority.

What is the man in the street to think about that? what values has he left when these feckups can usurp the law, all courtesy of the taxpayer who just happens to be him. If MITS steals a Parrish bun because he's hungry, he goes to the pokey, yet God knows what these people were stealing, or even taking personal advantage of just being in that position, a position to be able to run just about anything.

I hope Snowden is real and not another smart scam by the agencies. I mean from its released and yet to come data it could be authentic but we will see if he got the WHOLE dimensions of it.
NSA and other agencies use quantum computers and intelligent robots BIG size against us all.

I´m interested if he will will bring some news into 9/11 and agenda21 ...

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Well, to the folks saying Snowden is attention seeking, or a poser, or a traitor to the last bastion of freedom, or dating a dancer and thus suspect, or whatever their own take on him via the media is, remember this guy is risking his life to bring this stuff to our slack-jawed, dull eyed attention.

We are turning into a police state where free thought is punished... and this will happen because at some point in the future this intelligence apparatus WILL be used by the "wrong" people against the "right" people... it is a mathematically unavoidable fact.

The only hope is we direct enough attention to stem the creep of state control and wrest the tech from their cold, withered fingers through the proper channels of representative legislation, intensive journalistic scrutiny and collective force of will ...

In other words, there's no hope at all...

I find it hard to believe that people are OK with the government storing thier information just because it's benign. That is not the point.
Let's play a hypotheical game where this benign information can be used against the entire country. Suppose your child says something on the phone that seems benign at the time. Perhaps they smoked weed, or caught a case of VD. In the larger scheme of things, that wouldn't be a big deal at the time. But the government now has that information.
Fast forward some decades and now that child sits on the supreme court. A case comes along and she decides she will cast a vote that is not in the interest of the sitting President. I'm sure you can see where this is going.
If this method of spying isn't wrong, then why am I am fear of typing certain phrases on the internet?

Imagine where America would be, if a corrupt government wasn't standing in our way. One day out of absolute necessity we'll have to push it aside, and only then will we start to progress, as a nation and a people.

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Beautiful post. Wish I could star it but the action fails me. When they fix me, it will.

It would be great if everyone felt the same.

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Spoken like a true Trojan horse.

I don't have anything to hide either, but I don't want someone reading or hearing about how I am going to make love to my wife later. Right to privacy is just that.

Our government should be open like a book and so much so that it should be powerful enough to reveal its secrets and still look like a badass. But instead, it hides things like a child that knows they did bad and when they get caught they say they didn't do it even when we have proof that they did. Then when they know they got caught and there's no way out of it, they blame it on "their friend" and that it really isn't their fault, it was "their friend" that started it all.

I've got things to hide, they are things that belong under privacy. I don't want the government to know what I do, even if it's completely legal. And we all do illegal things without knowing it, every single day of our lives. Do you really want a government to know all of what we do that's illegal? It doesn't matter how innocent you seem to be, you do things that are illegal every day, and it's because there are too many pointless laws. Now that becomes dangerous when the government wants supreme power. They can and would convict anyone of anything if they felt like it and if they see a lot of people that they dislike doing one thing, they would make that thing illegal just for conviction.

This isn't tinfoil hat stuff, this has been happening over the past decade at the very least.

I said the same thing to my father. Americans fleeing to Russia to escape persecution. I remember as a kid asking my Dad why in the Soviet Union can't people eat McDonalds? I was like 10 years old and heard something in school about it. Anyway he said because their Government tells them what they can and can't do, eat, watch, ect. Living in N.Y. with Bloomberg the whole Ban Salt, Soda, ect. using the old "It crushes the health care industry with costs" The Cold War never finished. The way of thinking just found a pretty way of packaging the Old Ideas. U.S will Change. as it has been doing slowly for 20 years. When our government can do what they want to us & with Arrogance like the Silver Tongue Troll in the white House, we are Finished being who we were. doing it all with sneaky tactics involving that use Political correctness & applied to all subjects as a means to silence a country into submission, we are Finished.

I have a country that I can call mine. I HAD a Binding Constitution that kept me safe in ways I can't even understand, or see, but know are working. by comparing things that happen to people with less rights abroad and always feeling horrible watching Humans being treated like animals by their own countrymen that held ruling title. I don't have a president. I don't care if somebody in that Big White House holds the title of president. I consider my neighbor who I know a little my fellow American, I can't call a person with values that don't match mine, who don't care about me, or my country, my president. he's the guy who hijacked our Fundamental Principles. but that's what people voted for.. he said he will.."Fundamentally Change the United States of America" maybe folks didn't understand the meaning of Fundamental. They should have looked it up.