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akushla99
If you're asking for 'when did it begin to matter in our neck of the woods'...quasi-metaphysical discussion...
'Science' won't be able to tell you this...
Serdgiam
I am not looking for definitive answers, I am looking for exploration and discussion. Does that make sense?
Serdgiam
Regardless of whether or not we are eternal, or such great philosophical queries, there was a single moment where something was able to move left instead of right in the physical realm. Unless everything we know about the formation of the world around us is false, which is also a possibility.
Serdgiam
akushla99
If you're asking for 'when did it begin to matter in our neck of the woods'...quasi-metaphysical discussion...
Thats about as far from what I am asking as it can get!
I can see where you are coming from on it though.
'Science' won't be able to tell you this...
I am not looking for definitive answers, I am looking for exploration and discussion. Does that make sense?
Serdgiam
So, at what point did these variances result in a system which could choose from left/right/up/down/etc instead of being subject solely to the restraints of what we know as physics? And what processes lead up to this event?
Serdgiam
reply to post by SuicideBankers
Thats getting closer to the OP at least.
So, at what point did these variances result in a system which could choose from left/right/up/down/etc instead of being subject solely to the restraints of what we know as physics? And what processes lead up to this event?
Serdgiam
I am bringing up a subject which, in my experience, is dualistic whenever people talk of it. It either "always has been" or "never has been," or same variance between that crest and trough.
SuicideBankers
Nature cannot be subjugated in my opinion.
Even here on earth we have sea creatures that can choose to go in any direction. Not just left or right. Not just up or down but truly in any direction desired.
SuicideBankers
Even here on earth we have sea creatures that can choose to go in any direction. Not just left or right. Not just up or down but truly in any direction desired. Nature is limitless and we are just a small, small speck in her far larger and grander scheme.
Serdgiam
SuicideBankers
Nature cannot be subjugated in my opinion.
Agreed.
Even here on earth we have sea creatures that can choose to go in any direction. Not just left or right. Not just up or down but truly in any direction desired.
Correct! Now, when was the first time this happened, and what led up to it?
Serdgiam
reply to post by Itisnowagain
I want to see and understand how others see and understand. I already have my own answers, ever-growing and ever-moving.
"True seeker" does not apply.
I am bringing up a subject which, in my experience, is dualistic whenever people talk of it. It either "always has been" or "never has been," or same variance between that crest and trough. Though, I have yet to see it discussed specifically. It is always something that is somehow answered by discussing some grand universal truth, in a myriad of ways.
I can see now that because of that, most are not able to even understand precisely what the OP was all about. Which is quite intriguing in and of itself.
The topic could quite simply be responded to much like me asking "when did you start eating dinner last night and what made you eat?" Its not really any "deeper" than that. But, the maze of the mind is quite the labyrinth. Mine has cookies at least.
Serdgiam
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Semantics aside, there was a moment where things in this respect changed (as all things do).
You can call it whatever you like, fit it into whatever philosophical ideology you desire, but its all missing the point in favor of preaching.
In our current understanding, there was essentially a point at which "life as we know it" changed to be slightly different than it was. Where, instead of metaphorically remaining static and moved by the ocean's currents, the fish swam in the other direction. Whether or not this is truly "free will," or some other philosophical bind, is not relevant.
I do not think it started with fish (I feel the need to clarify that), but something more "basic."
When did this happen, in your perspective, and what were the processes that led to it?edit on 2-11-2013 by Serdgiam because: (no reason given)