When Did Matter Make Its First "Choice?"

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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 01:53 PM
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If I reversed my understanding, then I would disagree with what you just said.

"God did it" is great and all, and a statement I would agree with. That said, the "how" is what this thread is about, in that context.

When did planets start to form as spherical shapes orbiting around other celestial bodies?

"God did it" can explain it, if one is inclined to such a belief. But, we have used celestial mechanics to grow our understanding of the "how" for hundreds of years.

I know its not a standard most like to accept, but communication is a two way street. Instead of assuming you know what I do understand, and dont, perhaps we could have a communication instead of condescension from an ivory tower?

I am doing my best to communicate my point here, and have learned quite a few things from the thread already. However, when I say "you are missing my point," its far too easy for who is spoken towards to just say "well, you need to change your understanding" rather than point that finger inward.




posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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I simply meant the Universe has always been here. It had no "beginning" and it will never "end". Thats what infinity means.


I do not see the universe to be infinite. "All that is," yes, most certainly. But, not the physical universe.


You are looking at it from the third dimension.


Fair enough.


There is no "time". Man invented that.


Fair enough.


That happens "all the time" (to put it in your terms).


Yes, it does.


Its an ongoing process.


Yes, it is.


As far as I know, the concept of "forever" has not been redefined to mean 13.4 Billion years (the current scientifically defined age of the Universe).


Ok.

Now, instead of attempts at conversion, or preaching limited perspectives as all-encompassing truth... lets consider this a thought experiment instead!

If the universe started 13.4 billion years ago, at what point along that time line did planets start to form into spherical shapes. Yes, it is an ongoing process, but in this "thought experiment" it had to start somewhere. Along the same lines, when did matter gain the ability to flabbledeefloo and swim against the tidal forces bringing it back to the source?
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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I wasn't being condescending or speaking from on high. I am just trying to get you to start from a different perspective.

If you like, don't think of God, just say mind. Then choice is before the matter that is manifested as a representation of choice.

To put it another way, you must be aware, and you must have will, before you can choose.

For something to go against the grain of your torus drain, it must have first gained will to make that choice - but even further down, before that torus was created, something had to have willed it from chaos or randomness.

Where does the light and form of mental images come from?... That sort of thing.
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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Matter is inanimate, AI, and isn't spirit, it doesnt make choices but is affected in density and events by Spirit's choices in the tests, like a teeter totter, the universe is a holographic and very responsive testing program.
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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Bleeeeep
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If you like, don't think of God, just say mind. Then choice is before the matter that is manifested as a representation of choice.


Scratch that word choice, we are using flabbledeefloo now. People have too many ideological biases towards the initial word, which I certainly should have thought about.

As a planet circles around the sun, we do not see it suddenly turn 90 degrees and zip out of our solar system. And yet, a human can build a space ship and do that very thing.

The pattern itself is different, while all being inevitably part of the same equation.

If you feel this pattern is sourced outside of time, thats great! But it has little to do with the thread.

As matter took form, in our current model of the universe, celestial mechanics were followed regardless of where this source is. The source doesnt matter. At some point, another manifestation of the source pattern exhibited itself in the form of being able to take different patterns. To direct energy instead of being potential energy.

Why is this specific to scale, or is it? If it isnt, why do we not see it in *every* scale? And either way, at what point did this pattern start to manifest within the limited timeline, and what processes led up to it?

This isnt meant to be an ideological battleground, where the question is rendered meaningless according to an individually perceived answer. Think of it as a thought experiment, where the "rules" are what we currently understand as "physics."



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:14 PM
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Thanks unity!

Now, do you feel all matter is imbued with the same spiritual ability? If not, then when did the different patterns manifest? If so, then how are there vastly different "abilities" amongst different collections of matter?



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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I do not see the universe to be infinite. "All that is," yes, most certainly. But, not the physical universe.

So then tell me, if you could what is outside the Universe?


If the universe started 13.4 billion years ago, at what point along that time line did planets start to form into spherical shapes. Yes, it is an ongoing process, but in this "thought experiment" it had to start somewhere. Along the same lines, when did matter gain the ability to flabbledeefloo and swim against the tidal forces bringing it back to the source?

Okay. I think that this part of the Infinite Universe may have experienced a localized "big Bang" (there have been many), and after that as the explosion bloomed it cooled and the first atoms appeared that begun to cling to the other atoms that formed and that is how that part of this universe began to form.

Sort of reversing what happens in a sun. When inside a sun Matter is not matter, it is subatomic particles, right? When a star goes nova it radiates plasma which cools becomes atoms of all the Periodic elements and then that star "stuff" coagulates and forms clouds and then planets and new stars.

Is that what you are wondering?

PS Spheres are formed when matter becomes so dense that gravity pulls down the edges and makes things round. Pulling towards the center from all angles make spheres. There is a cutoff point. Msst small asteroids are not spherical they are lumpy or oblong because they have not grown large enough.

Thats why on Earth there are avalanches and undersea slides . Earths gravity pulls the tops "down" towards the center of the planet.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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The same can be asked of each element. Why does one element form differently than another? Why is there not just 1 thing. That is what I am trying to get at. Before there were planets, something made a flibidibobble....


In religion, the forces are called spirits. There is a spirit which governs each different type of force. (This is why I mentioned earlier about all the religions being similar in principle.)

You are looking at the forces, or spirits, and asking why they differ... The answer is because God made a flobibleeeeepblop to make them.

Spirit = manifested will. It denotes the task or role or governance of an entity. Like a fireman is to humans what a water spirit is to a force/power/principality or angel.

If you acknowledge manifested will/spirit/mental images/concepts created by mind rather than body, you will have your answer.
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 03:24 PM
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Serdgiam
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Thanks unity!

Now, do you feel all matter is imbued with the same spiritual ability? If not, then when did the different patterns manifest? If so, then how are there vastly different "abilities" amongst different collections of matter?


I believe its metaphorically like this wonderful arranged highly intelligent and responsive movie you enter, midplay almost, so to speak, and then Spirit tries to influence, and we have Universal energies that stream in from Beyond and that is in the system already, plus maintenance workers and those on higher levels who haven't fallen, or haven't even willingly entered into the matter testing grounds, ie matter more gravity based, so there is help all around us and from outside.

I believe that its Spirit/Consciousness that is the true Force and Spiritual, but that the field is very responsive and parental almost, protective for the ones waking up with positive energies to send out. We can create harmony edens or chaos.

Density of matter to me is akin to gravity of error or ego or shrinking Spirit consciousness, then we become more machine than man. ie caught up in more density, less fluidity and change takes place, its harder to lift up out of it.
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 05:24 PM
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The creature does not choose.

“The field is the sole governing agency of the particle.”
Albert Einstein.

There's the field (prakriti - everything that is perceived e.g.: the mind, etc. -, incorrectly translated as nature by westerners) but there's also the purusha (within everyone), the pure, immutable, direct knower and master of the field...

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posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 11:35 AM
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D1ss1dent
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The creature does not choose.

“The field is the sole governing agency of the particle.”
Albert Einstein.

There's the field (prakriti - everything that is perceived e.g.: the mind, etc. -, incorrectly translated as nature by westerners) but there's also the purusha (within everyone), the pure, immutable, direct knower and master of the field...


The field is the fabric of space which is vibrating and the particles are that which dance upon/in it.

That which appears and moves is being moved - nothing is moving independently.
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