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AfterInfinity
reply to post by OneManArmy
We exist therefore God exists.
In some peoples' heads, sure.
AfterInfinity
reply to post by OneManArmy
We exist therefore God exists.
In some peoples' heads, sure.
SuperFrog
reply to post by OneManArmy
Proving existence of God through your existence is the same as proving Bible being accurate by quoting from the Bible. Do you see faultily in this set of thinking?
It is like using of writings of late Tolkien to prove middle earth exists, as well elves.
Or let's get some other 'historical' accounts, for example Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. Even if Troy-an war might have some real battle Greeks encountered, it is by far made into mythology with all mythical beings and God who joined in battle.
And to understand how human mind and standards have changed - this was considered moral and historical win for Greek, while today we read it as an earlier account of genocide.
Do you see where we going with this, with both Bible and Qur'an having many calls for death.
And probably to your surprise, science can't disprove God existence, simply because you can't disprove existence either. Same goes for unicorns, elves and rest of mythical creatures...
edit on 6-11-2013 by SuperFrog because: (no reason given)
SuperFrog
And yet you have no proof that those things were 'created' or set up.
What I really can't understand is need for creator. Where that comes from.
And please, let's not go to pure chance...
SuperFrog
So just as topic said - there is no point in doing science, as everything is example of intelligent design per you?
Who created your architect? How did architect got into existence?
OneManArmy
"My" architect is an immaterial consciousness that gained self realisation and upon doing so was alone in the void. So that creative consciousness spawned the material(perceived) universe that follows strict rules, like a computer program, so its consciousness could create an illusion of seperation through life and experience its creation to understand itself.
OneManArmyYour question also implies that the laws that rule the immaterial void where the consciousness realised itself follow the same material rules in the 3 dimensional universe we reside in. But the nature of quantum physics doesnt follow the same rules as the general perceived reality, so why should an immaterial realm in which we have no clue as to what rules may govern it.
OneManArmyThe universe exists and we exist, consciousness exists, life exists...
OneManArmy
From that I assume either it all had a beginning or was eternal. The circular "then who created.....blah blah blah", is null and void.
SuperFrog
But if universe happened following either big bang or some other theory, there is no what you call circular reference...
Don't get me wrong, if there is single evidence in what you are saying, if is observable, I would based on observation acknowledge it. But simply, there is nothing like that... same for proof that unicorns exist.
Vortiki
"Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as if it were magick"
SuperFrog
reply to post by OneManArmy
Wait, from telling me you believe in intelligent mechanics that created universe you came to belief in personal God and life after death?!
I would go with John Stewart on how intelligent design really is...
Complete video...
SuperFrog
reply to post by OneManArmy
So just because he is comedian and comedy-political commentator, he can't have opinion on topic of intelligent design?!
Please, tell me where do you see 'intelligent' form of design on most hurtful part of our body being placed in bags where anyone can hit them with baseball bat.
Yes it is funny way, but design definitely is not intelligent.
And sorry, I just followed my gut that you waiting to see if you were right or wrong... my mistake... I was going from base that so far we don't have evidence that anyone ever came back or was able to tell anyone where he 'moved'... My mistake...
undo
reply to post by SuperFrog
so humans can't be copied or genetically altered?
see the theory of evolution and genetics, proves that humans and other lifeforms, can not only be changed genetically, their dna can be recombined, creating something entirely new. so what part of creating humans by copying from an original source sounds unscientific to you? sounds just.like.cloning.
SuperFrog
reply to post by OneManArmy
Wait, from telling me you believe in intelligent mechanics that created universe you came to belief in personal God and life after death?!
I would go with John Stewart on how intelligent design really is...
Complete video...