Homosexuality and the Bible

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This is a sick person who hates Mr. Rogers.

I suppose you can hit the back button.

W#hile I think his url is counterproductive to any attempt at outreach, I see nothing that indicated he hated Mr. Rogers; did I have to hit the enter button? I haven't the desire to be preach to by the choir if it is more scripture quoting.

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Nightwalker

He doesnt say it as far as I know, I really havent look at it in depth. Its just I saw a headline "What sick # hates Mr. Rogers" and that was the site it gave as his site.

The mark is the 6 pointed star. The star come to shape in the form of 2 triangle. Jahovia white and black For them to intersect you must join the male and female. So in fact to live is to take the mark of the beast. To keep from this you would be homosexual. But the catch is the only way you can create is trhough art but procreation is denied. So in truth bisexual is as close as you can come. There is no real good way.

Originally posted by cainecrawford
The mark is the 6 pointed star. The star come to shape in the form of 2 triangle. Jahovia white and black For them to intersect you must join the male and female. So in fact to live is to take the mark of the beast. To keep from this you would be homosexual. But the catch is the only way you can create is trhough art but procreation is denied. So in truth bisexual is as close as you can come. There is no real good way.

WHAT?????


[Edited on 2-7-2003 by Tyriffic]

i just have one question.
if somebody wouldnt mind trying to answer it for me.
even if the bible does or does not say that being gay is a sin,
where does it say that simply the fact that you believe this,
gives you the right to decide whether other people get to live their life that way or not?
you see,
we have a church group here in New Zealand called the "destiny church".
now i dont personally believe that to be gay is right, or not a sin.
but i also dont believe that simply because i think something, that that gives me the right to intrude on another persons legal freedom to live their own life.
where is it that people get the idea that they can govern other people by their own beliefs?
i mean no disrespect nor do i question the truth of anyones beliefs i just want to understand why the bible gives some people the right to stop others from living thier own life the way they want to.
well according to them it does anyway.
anybody feel like clearing this up for me?

[edit on 25-8-2005 by Wardr08e]

Originally posted by Wardr08e
i just have one question.
if somebody wouldnt mind trying to answer it for me.
even if the bible does or does not say that being gay is a sin,
where does it say that simply the fact that you believe this,
gives you the right to decide whether other people get to live their life that way or not?

FIrst of all, the homosexual lifestyle is a sin, because it is despised by God. The Lord destroyed two cities becasue if the behavior, and it is also stated in the bible

1 cor 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

So for those that condem the homosexual lifestlye they are only trying to explain thier belief of what is right and wrong. and according to thier beliefs of what is going ot happen to those people.

Now granted there are people who think violating the laws of seperation of Church and state are worth it to "save people" from doing such horrible things, and others who think thier lifestlye is being wrongfully judge by nutters who should keep thier own lives private.

But honestly, I dont WANT To know who is, or what homosexuals do and rather wish they kept to themselves and worked with cgovernemtn to create better Civil union laws that would benifit both Homosexuals, and Hetrosexuals instead of flaunting thier lifestyles in pride marches and coming out parties. Such acts offends the fanatics who creates sights like "godhatesfag" which inturn offends the gays and then you have a sprial of hate that is perpetuated by BOTH sides

[edit on 8/27/2005 by Jehosephat]

Originally posted by Jehosephat
But honestly, I dont WANT To know who is, or what homosexuals do and rather wish they kept to themselves and worked with cgovernemtn to create better Civil union laws that would benifit both Homosexuals, and Hetrosexuals instead of flaunting thier lifestyles in pride marches and coming out parties.

May I ask why? I just want to know where you're coming from before I reply.

The bible clearly states that God against homosexuality, it says so in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Leviticus 18:22 says "Thou shalt not lie with a man as you you do with a women; it is an abomination" Romans 1:27 says "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.". Leviticus 20:13 says "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. Corinthians 6:9 says "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind." Romans 1:26-27 says "for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." Genesis 19 says "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." And the term for homosexuality, sodomy, comes from the sinful biblical city Sodom of Sodom and Gomorrah. 1 Timothy 1:9-10 says "realizing the fact that civil law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" From these qotes directly form the bible it is 100% clear that the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is against homosexuality.

Originally posted by AnonymousUserVII
The bible clearly states that God against homosexuality, it says so in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. ... From these qotes directly form the bible it is 100% clear that the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is against homosexuality.

What it really says is that those men who copied/edited the bible believed homosexuality to be a sin - big difference to quite a lot of people. If it is true that homosexuality or sexual preference is actually a genetic trait then, this is nothing more than the bible-authors and the majority opinion being wrong, again. I know many homosexuals who profess themselves to be Christian and Jew. I do not know many Muslims and I don't know any gay Muslims but that does not mean that I don't believe that there are any.

I think the worship and belief in God has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preference. No one "turns gay" - that's total crap! Not one gay person of my acquaintance chose to be gay - they only chose to be authentic and true to their nature. You think it's easy being an openly gay person?

BTW - I was not born homosexual. I was born heterosexual so I was never attracted to a man. It was not a choice for me, either.

Originally posted by Al Davison

Originally posted by AnonymousUserVII
The bible clearly states that God against homosexuality, it says so in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. ... From these qotes directly form the bible it is 100% clear that the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is against homosexuality.

What it really says is that those men who copied/edited the bible believed homosexuality to be a sin - big difference to quite a lot of people. If it is true that homosexuality or sexual preference is actually a genetic trait then, this is nothing more than the bible-authors and the majority opinion being wrong, again. I know many homosexuals who profess themselves to be Christian and Jew. I do not know many Muslims and I don't know any gay Muslims but that does not mean that I don't believe that there are any.

I think the worship and belief in God has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preference. No one "turns gay" - that's total crap! Not one gay person of my acquaintance chose to be gay - they only chose to be authentic and true to their nature. You think it's easy being an openly gay person?

BTW - I was not born homosexual. I was born heterosexual so I was never attracted to a man. It was not a choice for me, either.

First, I never said that one "turns gay". It is considered a perversion that you are born with. Second, you mean to tell me that every person that has ever read the text of the original bible books lied in their works. No, the bible is 100% clear in it's stance against homosexuality. Scholars who are athiest have translated the books and came up with the same conclusion. Third, I never said that your not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim if you are gay. All I said was that it is named as an abomination in the Bible. It means that if your a gay Christian then your a sinning Christian. Belief in God has everything to do with sexual preferance, as the bible states that God clearly opposes homosexuality.

I wonder what powerful necromancer brought this thread back to life?
*breaks the link to BTS*

Look, I don't know why anyone is getting mad at me, I never even gave my personal opinion on homosexuality. If you scroll up and re-read my posts, you will see that I never once offered that as my own opinion but that of the anicient biblical authors. I was only offering a rebuttal to the original poster who started this thread who said that the Bible was not an ally to Christians who think homosexuality is wrong. I think an essential part of an open forum discussion is civil debate, and that is all I was doing. It wouldn't be a proper forum if everyone just nodded their heads in agreement. I did not give my personal opinion on homosexuality precisely because I knew someone would be ignorant and flame me for it.

Easy, easy. I'm not mad - I'm participating.

I conceded the point that the bible and the major religions condemn homosexuality. I simply stated that they may be in error. I do not trust the bible to tell me what God thinks about anything for the bible was not written by God. I know, I checked.

Besides, what I think the writers of the bible and Q'ran were talking about in their condemnation of homosexuality was the sex itself. Pure sex = lust. Most agree that lust is a sin.

My problem with modern day folks trying to discriminate against homosexuals is that they never even attempt to see loving, committed-for-life same-sex couples for who they really are and what their relationship truly means to them. I've been married to the same woman for 25 years and I can tell you that our marriage is NOT about the sex. (Not that we don't enjoy that part but...that's personal.) Marriage is about love, not lust.

I think that anybody who tries to say that God does not know the difference between love and lust has a very, very small and stupid God and it's certainly not the same God that I believe in.

That's all I'm saying.

Normally this is a topic that I would avoid like the plague, but I do have a question for some of the Christians (of which I would consider myself one).

For those of us who were raised in a religious household, with family members in the ministry and were taught that homosexuality is not a hateful thing - is every member of the largest Protestant congregation in Canada going to hell for consorting with the enemy?

This confuses me. I am a Christian and my church welcomes homosexuals as full participating members of the church with no problem.

So to all the homosexuals out there, not every single Christian church thinks you are deviants.

Originally posted by Al Davison
Easy, easy. I'm not mad - I'm participating.

I conceded the point that the bible and the major religions condemn homosexuality. I simply stated that they may be in error. I do not trust the bible to tell me what God thinks about anything for the bible was not written by God. I know, I checked.

Besides, what I think the writers of the bible and Q'ran were talking about in their condemnation of homosexuality was the sex itself. Pure sex = lust. Most agree that lust is a sin.

My problem with modern day folks trying to discriminate against homosexuals is that they never even attempt to see loving, committed-for-life same-sex couples for who they really are and what their relationship truly means to them. I've been married to the same woman for 25 years and I can tell you that our marriage is NOT about the sex. (Not that we don't enjoy that part but...that's personal.) Marriage is about love, not lust.

I think that anybody who tries to say that God does not know the difference between love and lust has a very, very small and stupid God and it's certainly not the same God that I believe in.

That's all I'm saying.

I think 3.1 billion Christians, Jews, and Muslims would disagree with you and say that God did write the bible through the men who physically wrote it. It is widely regarded as being divinely inspired by Christian, Muslims, and Jews. And it is trusted as authority. And the bible does not state homosexuality as a matter of lust. It says it is an abomonation to "lay with a man as you would with a woman". This doesn't mean lust. It means that it is natural for a man to "lay with" a woman, but unnatural to "lay with" a man. And it clearly is literally "unnatural" by the standard of modern science. Science states that nature did not intend for two of the same sex to be with one another. It would serve no purpose biologically. Life on earth would be non-existent. Your right, a gay person is born gay, but it is a birth defect. Homosexuality is caused when one is born with a defect where the anterior preoptic section of the hypothalamus is half the size of a normal persons. This area of the brain regulates the sexual behavior of humans. It produces enzymes called aromatases that make angrogens and change testosterone into estrogen and visa versa. When one is born with an underdeveloped anterior preoptic hypothalamus then not enough aromatases are produced causing the brain of a male to not become completely masculin-ized. And it works in somewhat of a reverse for females where it becomes too masculin-ized. This birth defect accounts for approximately 10% of the human population, which means if you get ten people in a room together then 1 of them is likely to be gay. If you beleive in the Biblical God of Abraham that the Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in then I for one cannot understand how you can read the bible and not see that it is against homosexuality. It is stated clearly more than once, and one quote is even a "thou shalt not".

yes granted the bible may in fact say that.
this is something i am not commenting on.
my question though,
was how does that fact give any religious group the right to use that to try change the rights of another to live their life how they want to?
if the bible says that, does it not mean that christians cannot be homosexual?
why should one man's religion govern another man's rights to live his OWN life?
now please everyone,
im not commenting on MY opinions here.
just looking for some answers to some questions.

Originally posted by Wardr08e
how does that fact give any religious group the right to use that to try change the rights of another to live their life how they want to?

Ummm, it doesn't.

Matthew 7:22-7:23

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

From the church I belong to:

Even though there is no record of Jesus having mentioned homosexuality or same-sex relationships, many Christians continue to believe that Jesus himself condemned homosexuality. Jesus did not. Instead he preached a message of radical inclusion, in stark contrast to the strict adherence to purity codes observed by many within his society.

So what does the Bible say about homosexuality? The short answer is, "nothing." The concept of homosexuality as a sexual orientation was unknown in biblical times.

The Bible does make a few explicit references to same-sex genital activity. Several of these texts have been used to assert a biblical condemnation of homosexuals and their relationships.