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iwilliam
You seem to think like the cops do. Namely that the badge gives them the authority to go anywhere, or do anything they want. It does not.
iwilliam
Medical treatment takes precedence over interrogation, arrest, and criminal prosecution. Always.
iwilliam
This suspect was not just a suspect, but also a patient at a hospital.
iwilliam
Possibly unwell enough for interrogation, arrest, or transport. I have seen many times, cases where a suspect was injured at the scene, where the cops showed up, and instead of being arrested and taken to jail, was escorted to the hospital.
... locking a door to obstruct their access. That's a petty thing when we're looking hard for ways to make it the fault of Police for anything and everything which happened.
pavil
bigfatfurrytexan
The suspect is not the patient I am referring to. I am referring to every other patient on that unit. The individual isn't going to get away....they are in a locked psychiatric unit.
It couldn't have been that...... read the article again, when the groping occurred it was when both the man and the women were outside on an unsupervised smoke break. That wouldn't happen in a locked psychiatric unit, would it?
You are making suppositions here not supported by the information we have.
pavil
reply to post by Bedlam
If that were the case, you would see criminals flock to hospitals and avoid the Police.
Don't work like that. Sorry.
Bedlam
If the guy's been legally committed to psychiatric care, and whichever bit of legal paperwork for that state has been done (like a PEC), he is then the ward of the county already - can a cop remove a committed patient from a psych facility? It would be like a city cop going to the county slam and arresting someone out of their lockup into his, wouldn't it? Only in this case, it's a degradation of care, since the cops aren't qualified to administer psychiatric care or meds.
bigfatfurrytexan
Like I said...unless we have information otherwise, it looks like she picked up the phone to call someone. While she was doing that, they rushed in on her.
Bedlam
A LEO cannot compel medical care. They can't change how care is given. They can't impede medical care. They can't compel testing. They can't claim obstruction if medical personnel don't do things their way, because they are not licensed medical personnel. If they try it, they end up charged with practicing medicine. A cop can't order a doctor or nurse to do or not to do something medical in nature.
pavil
reply to post by Bedlam
Bedlam, I am referring to situations where there are clear cut orders for the hospital to cooperate with Law Enforcement activities and STILL they try to not do what is ORDERED by a Court. And yes, they really still do try to not follow Court orders, to the point where I have had to have a Sheriff, Chief of Police or Judge call the Hospital Administrator and tell them.
You are adding what if's into situations where it really is cut and dry.
If that were the case, you would see criminals flock to hospitals and avoid the Police.
Don't work like that. Sorry.
Grasping at straws here, I honestly have a hard time following your train of thought on this one. They would isolate them and follow quarantine protocols I'm sure, regardless of the location in the Hospital. Again, all of this is moot as there is NO evidence to even hint at your claim.
iwilliam
You can not fairly assume that because they were in a psych ward, that they did not also have a medical issue as well, including potentially something contagious.
If you have the plague, and active psychotic delusion, they don't keep you in intensive care, they keep you in the psych ward, generally speaking.
And to those of you saying that they should have been allowed in immediately, because what about the safety of the other patient (the accuser)...?...
It can get pretty crazy. That's why it's a locked psych ward.
bigfatfurrytexan
RalagaNarHallas
media.cmgdigital.com... here is the pdf of the incident report for any one interested in it i had not seen it posted yet
Great. So now we know this man was in treatment at a mental hospital. HIPPA isn't relevant i guess.
defcon5
reply to post by iwilliam
Judges trump doctors, and can order things that may not be medically advisable in a doctors opinion.
For example, Judges can order a prisoner to take meds if they are in custody and refuse to do so. In that instance they can force them, with an extraction team, to take months worth of them at one time injected via a mega dose from an air syringe.
iwilliam
You can not fairly assume that because they were in a psych ward, that they did not also have a medical issue as well, including potentially something contagious.
defcon5
bigfatfurrytexan
Like I said...unless we have information otherwise, it looks like she picked up the phone to call someone. While she was doing that, they rushed in on her.
Go read the published police report.
It states that she made remarks that she was not going to allow them to take him into custody. Maybe he was her favorite patient, maybe she felt obligated to protect him from the law, who knows. It obvious that the staff had been verbally correcting him for this behavior in the past, and not doing anything to stop it.
Just like many people who get arrested, or their loved ones, she was looking for a reprieve for him via her supervisor. I cannot think of any other reason why any medical person would act the way she did.
defcon5
Yes they can under the order of a judge.
That is why judges have ordered all sorts of medical stuff over the years such as “pulling patients plugs”, removing feeding tubes, etc...
iwilliam
I might have been flipping out, too. They roughed her up, tazed her, and arrested her for trying to do her job the way she saw fit.
defcon5
bigfatfurrytexan
RalagaNarHallas
media.cmgdigital.com... here is the pdf of the incident report for any one interested in it i had not seen it posted yet
Great. So now we know this man was in treatment at a mental hospital. HIPPA isn't relevant i guess.
When you are under arrest you have your constitutional rights suspended. That means that other rights such as HIPPA are also suspended. That is why people in prison have no right to keep it secret that they have HIV, Hepatitis, etc...