Ultimate Secret of Freemasonry Revealed!

reply to post by 112233

This instruction comes from the Taxil Hoax. Leo Taxil fabricated a great deal and even admitted to it, but it is still circulated as if it is fact.

I didn't necessarily think you believed that we were from the Templars, but just pointing out general information as it comes up quite frequently. As to our origins? No one knows for sure. I'm tracing the legend of York and King Athelstan to see if there is any connection between the operative guilds of england, the comacine masters, and the roman collegia, but there is a lot of historical fog to sift through.

Is this bizzaro time on ATS or something? im so lost right now. i've been reading these posts and just blinking. What exactly are you talking about OP?

EyesOpenMouthShut
Is this bizzaro time on ATS or something? im so lost right now. i've been reading these posts and just blinking. What exactly are you talking about OP?

That's why I always state to read my other threads if one doesn't know what's going on.
I try to make sure to always define my terminology so people know what I am saying.

You cannot just waltz in the middle of a half year long investigation and presume to even have a chance to know what's going on.
Unless of course you already conducted such an investigation prior and knew of the same stuff, etc.
A good comparison I think is, what if you did this mid semester at a University course?

I have been saying a lot.
You just weren't paying attention.

I read over my old posts and felt it was a cop out because I didn't feel like getting into a circular argument because I was tired of them, but since I got an urge to write I'll write some stuff.

First off, my quote of Albert Pike on the Grand Pontiff chapter is raising a traditionally iconic selfish figure in most minds, without going into the layers of symbolism. Compartmentalizing knowledge from the masses just as knowledge is compartmentalized in Masonic organizations. Or at least what is taught is the truth and later is found out to not be the truth but another layer of symbolism. IMO the part on degrees, just to illustrate that there is tons of secrets to secret societies why do you think it works in degrees? Because it goes 360 degrees in Masonry. Which is why 33rd degree is the highest for the common man.

Blue Lodge might be the starting point for many in their Masonic career as they branch out into other secret societies but Freemasonry falls under the Masonic umbrella. Since you probably won't be joining groups like the Shriners or the Rosicrucians. Who I think Blue Lodge has a very big connection to the Order of the Rosy Cross.

Frank C. Higgins wrote, "Doctor Ashmole, a member of this Fraternity [Rosicrucian], is revered by Masons as one of the founders of the first Grand Lodge in London."

Side note, Georgia Guidestones has written on it: pseudonyn(not an english word) R.C. Christian. R.C. and C.R.C. is the seal, mark, and character of that order.

The symbolism of Baphomet is symbolically effed up because look at how high the kundalini goes. It stops at the third chakra, the solar plexus chakra governing Will right before the fourth chakra which bears a connection to Crowley's "Will above Love" since the symbolism shows that the remaining chakras are meaningless beyond survival, sensuality, and will.

Masonry is a religion, although they take men of all faiths, except atheists. According to Manly P. Hall, "Masonry is a religion seeking to unite God and man by elevating it's initiates to that level of consciousness whereon they can behold with clarified vision the workings of the Great Architect of the Universe."

reply to post by 112233

Except you misquoted Pike and seem to have a general lack of knowledge of what he was writing about.

Pike was talking about how those who deserve to be misled. Freemasonry is a progressive science taught by degrees, but we don't deceive or lie to our members. I've been through more degrees and orders than I can count and my experience tells me all of this supposition and conjecture is without merit, and the history of anti-Masonry keeps me weary of those crying wolf constantly.

Because it goes 360 degrees in Masonry.

And you know this how?

Which is why 33rd degree is the highest for the common man.

The 33rd is only the highest degree in the Scottish Rite. I don't get why people focus so much upon a simple numbering system.

Frank C. Higgins wrote, "Doctor Ashmole, a member of this Fraternity [Rosicrucian], is revered by Masons as one of the founders of the first Grand Lodge in London."

How could that be since he died 25-years before the first Grand Lodge was formed?

Masonry is a religion, although they take men of all faiths, except atheists.

Freemasonry is not a religion. We don't meet the basic requirements to be considered a religion.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Actually the Washington Monument represents a penis.. a cock... a wang. And the diamond (40 boundary stones) that shapes the Federal Jurisdiction of Washington, DC represents a vagina. At the center of the diamond (vagina) is the Washington Monument (penis). SHOCK!

You need to learn more about the Egyptian belief system if you really want to understand Freemasonry. (PS - the Jews weren't the first people to believe in a monotheistic religion.)

Many Freemasons do "worship" Lucifer. But to the religious zealots out there Lucifer isn't the devil or Satan. Surely you can search ATS and someone has already explained what Lucifer is.

I never a bad one that let me know he was one.

They do weird ceremony and stuff, but its to no particular deity, just one God that you only have to believe exists and that is the end of the religious teachings because there are none. The ceremony's are like the Queen knighting a a new knight than some strange evil ritual or type of preying or curse or spell.

A lodge i know accepted a Sikh a few years ago, also is a great member i hear.

+1 for the Masons.

Now the Illuminati.... i know absolute dick all about and am unsure of. What i said above i know for fact.

reply to post by muzzleflash


First and foremost god is not about secrecy and if you don't think there is a Satan there is seriously something wrong with you. Open source my arse. If it was open anyone could come in and observe everything. It is not. To try and say masons are these godly men is just a joke.

You will never be able to defend an organization that keeps secrets, period. No one will buy it without full disclosure, they won't even disclose member list or who leaders are lol. Yea we are going to trust them about as much as we trust the vrill society lol. You know who they are right lol...

Wow come back when you actually want to tell us some of their secrets lol.

Kinda misleading thread. Masons=secrets=nothing good lol...

The Bot

As a former Grandmaster of the Freemasons in my anterior life as Henry Pelham, GB Prime Minister 1749-1754. I can attest that what OP is saying it is the truth. That is our main goal.

dlbott
...if you don't think there is a Satan there is seriously something wrong with you.

For me the converse is true; if you believe there is a Satan there is something seriously wrong with you.

OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I found all this out by starting at square one and researching Earth history in depth.

I didn't just memorize junk. I asked questions and looked for specific answers. Used scientific method to improve theories, and considered all topics relevant. I questioned my beliefs and debunked them, etc.

Stuff you should try.

Well that does sound like quite a undertaking, but you only answered half my question.

so i will ask you again.

What is the simply put, what is the ultimate secret of freemasanory.

Please allow me to help…

A Mason in general has a belief in the fatherhood of God
as the creator of all things seen and unseen and the brotherhood of
mankind.

Even if you do not believe in a divine creator you are still
thought of as a product of God and respected by all members
of the blue lodge fraternity.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


It doesn't even have to be a belief in 'God' does it? Just an Omnipotent being or source?

Freemasonry has always intrigued me...especially when a friend of mine and his Dad became masons...although I, admittedly, laughed when they proposed the idea of me joining (immaturity and the idea of me joining what seemed a glorified mens club). I've never been a fan of rituals though...and I think that's what will keep me away from anything and everything that is ritualistic.

Hi MF
check out my AV
the stars the cross and pyramids
PGT Beauregard was a mason..a knights templar
I have learned that the celtic cross is a navigational and measuring instrument for building, and surveying
PGT was a Military engineer

of course seeing the celtic cross for what it really is a game changer as far as History goes

reply to post by WCmutant

I don't get why so many conspiracy theorists have sex on the mind. Must not be getting enough.

It's really not a diamond shape as the square design runs into the river. Nor is the monument in the dead center.

There are many influences and theories as to the origins of Freeasonry, all theories.

Many Freemasons do "worship" Lucifer.

And you know this how?

But to the religious zealots out there Lucifer isn't the devil or Satan.

Well, the Bible only says that he is a disgraced Babylonian king.

reply to post by Biigs

lol...I guess to outsiders our rituals can seem a bit weird, but we are not atheistic or humanistic.

We allow men of various faiths to join, but we don't dictate what faith one must have. That is not the province of Freemasonry.

reply to post by dlbott

You're also assuming that your beliefs are indicative of reality.

Who says we are not godly men?

What's wrong with secrets? Everyone has them and there's nothing inherently wrong with them. I don't get why people try to make it taboo when it is a natural part of humanity and social structure. You're applying your misguided notions that secrecy is associated with nefarious and deviousness, but it's not. The history of anti-Masonry tells me that we as a Fraternity need our secrecy and privacy.

Disclosure? Well, you see we have that little thing called right to privacy and right to property.

reply to post by KSigMason


I'm not sure what type of Mason you are, have you verified this? "This" being that the Washington Monument isn't in the center of the Square (turned 45 degrees to be a Diamond) of the boundary stones of the Federal District of Columbia. And I suppose it depends on your definition of "center" I believe it's perhaps 1400 feet off being the dead center of the Diamond, rough estimation.

Because I'm looking at a map now of all 40 boundary stones and it's arguably close to the "center" of the Diamond... 40 that's a curious number - a number that relates to Lucifer.

If I had sex on the brain I'd be looking at porn not prescribing it to ancient symbols. There are symbols that have always been used throughout history/cultures to relate to Man and Woman. The obelisk = male energy (solar) or Aten and the female is often represented by a circle and sometimes a diamond. Putting them together is the union of the two, the act of creation.

So yes, when you dismissively suggest that what the Washington Monument and the boundary stones/layout of DC represent is purely about sex is a strange indeed coming from someone that is a Mason. The ancient cultures (Roman, Egyptian, etc.) that Masonry pulls a lot of it's knowledge from were perhaps more about sex than we are today (only because we are still stuck in the Victorian era).

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a truth seeker. And not once have I ever ascribed any negative value to a Mason. There are bad Masons just like there are bad people, but not all of them are. Was this country founded and created under Masonic influences? You betcha.

In fact, if you studied Lucifer a bit more you'd find some of the answers you might be looking for - Masonic origins.

reply to post by WCmutant

If you look at a map, DC is not an exact square or diamond. It was originally planned to be that way, but Virginia kept onto its lands. With its current lands and boundaries, the placement of the monument is not at its center.

Type of Mason?

40 that's a curious number - a number that relates to Lucifer.

It also relates to Christ.

So yes, when you dismissively suggest that what the Washington Monument and the boundary stones/layout of DC represent is purely about sex is a strange indeed coming from someone that is a Mason.

How is it strange that I dismiss it? If you think the boundary line of the District looks like a vagina then you need to go back to anatomy class.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a truth seeker.

What's the difference? You're just applying a new label, but it's the same game.

And not once have I ever ascribed any negative value to a Mason.

Well you did when you said that "Many Freemasons do worship Lucifer" and stated that you believe Lucifer is Satan.

Was this country founded and created under Masonic influences? You betcha.

There was some influence, but there was more to the founding than just Masonry: www.travelingtemplar.com/2012/12/freemasonry-founding-of-united-states.html

In fact, if you studied Lucifer a bit more you'd find some of the answers you might be looking for - Masonic origins.

Yeah, no.

WCmutant
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Actually the Washington Monument represents a penis.. a cock... a wang. And the diamond (40 boundary stones) that shapes the Federal Jurisdiction of Washington, DC represents a vagina. At the center of the diamond (vagina) is the Washington Monument (penis). SHOCK!

You need to learn more about the Egyptian belief system if you really want to understand Freemasonry. (PS - the Jews weren't the first people to believe in a monotheistic religion.)

Many Freemasons do "worship" Lucifer. But to the religious zealots out there Lucifer isn't the devil or Satan. Surely you can search ATS and someone has already explained what Lucifer is.

You haven't read any of my other threads I see.

I have covered that stuff, but I point out that even though we can 'relate sexual imagery' to virtually everything, there is a lot more to the world worth exploring than talking about sex all day. So I choose to focus on the less obvious motifs more heavily.

Surely you could search ATS (or my profile) and realize I have written extensively about those exact things you are saying I should go read up on. Which is really ironic.

dlbott
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

First and foremost god is not about secrecy and if you don't think there is a Satan there is seriously something wrong with you. Open source my arse. If it was open anyone could come in and observe everything. It is not. To try and say masons are these godly men is just a joke.

You will never be able to defend an organization that keeps secrets, period. No one will buy it without full disclosure, they won't even disclose member list or who leaders are lol. Yea we are going to trust them about as much as we trust the vrill society lol. You know who they are right lol...

Wow come back when you actually want to tell us some of their secrets lol.

Kinda misleading thread. Masons=secrets=nothing good lol...

The Bot

I don't know all of those people, some may treat the idea of "God" seriously, others may not.

I was merely telling you what the secret was, you can take it or leave it.
The point of saying to refrain from judging them, is because those judgments lead to prejudice that may not be based on any facts of reality.

But look at yourself, you are passing moral judgment based on what? On your opinions?
Maybe they are secretive to avoid persecution?

I am not attempting to defend any organization they do it just fine on their own.
If you notice the thread is about revealing their secret to you so that you don't have to fear them anymore.

I am well aware of the Vril Society and Maria Orsitsch etc.
Which has very little to do with this. It's an interesting subject though.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Did you hear that?

I should:

come back when you actually want to tell us some of their secrets lol.

Hahahhaa

Danbones
Hi MF
check out my AV
the stars the cross and pyramids
PGT Beauregard was a mason..a knights templar
I have learned that the celtic cross is a navigational and measuring instrument for building, and surveying
PGT was a Military engineer

of course seeing the celtic cross for what it really is a game changer as far as History goes

edit on 23-2-2014 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

I have been writing about all forms of measurement systems/tools etc.
I'll forgive you if you didn't dig through my threads.

Go further back to systems like the Cubit to get to the bottom of it:

Cube = 3 dimensions
X, Y, and Z axis.

I'll try to go look up two or three posts I made about the pyramids where I elaborate on that.