Jesus rides with the cops—and taxpayers foot the bill

reply to post by gnosticagnostic


Well, I know most hospitals have a chapel, and there are frequently members of the clergy mulling about within. Same with a lot of prisons. So, I think the Christians have that part covered already.

Outside of gaining a foothold in state government, and the supposed explanation of trying to "reduce" crime (studies tend to show that less religion = less crime), I don't really know why they are doing it, and as such, I don't really have a comment on that.

All I know, is that it is illegal, and if this type of program ever came to my state, or city, I would definitely be out there fighting it tooth-and-nail.

~ Wandering Scribe

honested3
Nothing helps ease the mind of someone who just went through something traumatic quite like the cold logic of knowing that were all just born to die, and in the end we were all just animals and there is no God or purpose to life, but at least a few tax dollars were saved and the progress of the human species void of God is well underway, so hurry up with getting through this all alone because tax dollars are thoroughly being used for more meaningful purposes anyways.

Really?

Sure, it's better to tell them that a faery god will grant them ever lasting salvation when it's their turn to pop off the mortal coil. that will surely cheer them up and put a spark in their step. And if it doesn't well then they're probably sinners, and off to hell with them.

Right?

"Dear santa, please give me back my mommie. I was real good and I wont ask for a bike next year."

All religion aside, just having someone there to help you get through something traumatic is helpful and overall a good thing. It can avoid suicide, or even a violent outburst etc. I mean there are so many Christians out there who are fake as ever, but this to me is how real Christians should be, and yet some people are upset with it. Maybe you might think they are vulnerable, but they are not stuffing their belief down their throats. What is your solution? "I am so sorry your husband just got murdered mam, but take comfort in the fact that he is dead and you will never see him again ever, not in this life or any life because were all just born to die, but my cold logic and many degrees to further prove this should really warm you up." No thanks.

What an arrogant selfish view. Jsut because someone is an atheist does not make then a heartless heathen.

I'm getting really sick of the xtian high and mighty crap on ATS... non stop..

"oh look at us we're perfect but YOU heathens are scum, sinners, eat babies and dance on graves. Otherwise youd be in a church with us!"

pfft.

winofiend


"Dear santa, please give me back my mommie. I was real good and I wont ask for a bike next year."

No. Enjoy your bike.

(Couldn't help myself.)

There is nothing unconstitutional about a state funding religious activities. Many of the states had established churches well into the mid-1800s.

Wandering Scribe
reply to post by gnosticagnostic

 

Well, I know most hospitals have a chapel, and there are frequently members of the clergy mulling about within. Same with a lot of prisons. So, I think the Christians have that part covered already.

Outside of gaining a foothold in state government, and the supposed explanation of trying to "reduce" crime (studies tend to show that less religion = less crime), I don't really know why they are doing it, and as such, I don't really have a comment on that.

All I know, is that it is illegal, and if this type of program ever came to my state, or city, I would definitely be out there fighting it tooth-and-nail.

~ Wandering Scribe

Less religion equals less crime? Now that's just stupid, sorry I don't care what study forged and cherry picked what data, the very idea that a social network leads to more crime is the DUMBEST thing ever said, EVER.
Almost as dumb as saying more guns equals more crime.

Oh went out bought a gun today. Now I feel like knocking off liquor stores.

reply to post by SevenThunders


To Muslims, since you worship a man, you are the pagan.

Your sectarian bigotry is the real problem, the source of most of what is evil about religion, you exemplify.

I grew up in Dallas, moved all around Texas to towns and cities small and large. Everywhere we lived had a Chaplain program. These men and women were volunteers, were not licensed peace officers, paid for their own uniform, and more often than not, provided their own transportation. They were on-call status, and responded to major incidents and when requested. They did not proselytize or push any religion. They were only there to comfort and aid victims who requested their services. Denomination did not matter.

There is not anything they do that violates the constitution, or infringes on anyone's rights. If you don't want a chaplain, don't ask for one. Just don't trample on others rights to have one called if they so wish.

reply to post by FreeMason

Less religion equals less crime? Now that's just stupid, sorry I don't care what study forged and cherry picked what data, the very idea that a social network leads to more crime is the DUMBEST thing ever said, EVER.

If your moral compass comes from religion alone, then it is based on fear; fear of some form of punishment for not following your deity's rules. When that is the case, as it is in all religiously motivated moral stances, then it is also easy to overlook immoral actions—say, beating homosexuals, burning "witches" at the stake, bombing abortion clinics, or shooting up a Mosque—as admissible because the same deity commands them.

Almost as dumb as saying more guns equals more crime.

Apples to oranges, really. A gun is a tool, a religion is an ideology. One enhances abilities already existent within the individual, the other instills new ones. Guns don't teach men to discriminate based on ethnicity and belief, religion does.

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by retiredTxn


What you described is perfectly fine. If the members are voluntary, provide their own transportation and uniform, and are not in any way endorsed by the government, then OK, carry on.

What the current program is attempting to do though—use the taxpayers money to fund the program—is illegal and unconstitutional. The fact that a Hindu's hard earned money might be given to a Christian church so that they can send people out to spread the Gospel, and he cannot do anything about it, is fundamentally wrong.

~ Wandering Scribe

SevenThunders
What an excellent idea. This my friends is what America used to be about. America was once a christian nation. As a matter of fact the function of public school was to teach the Bible to our kids and there was a Bible commissioned by congress for this very purpose.

Good thing our founding fathers could read and happened to notice that the words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the constitution. It's only in modern times that psychotic America and God hating Marxists have decided that the purpose of government and the educational system is to promote a religion, atheism.

That's actually a violation of the establishment clause, not the mere fact of having a pastor in a cop car to try to remediate the criminal mind. A sane person would see that this is a good thing.

edit on 12-10-2013 by SevenThunders because: (no reason given)

You so silly

The full article states that the pastors are volunteers. The only taxpayer funded part is their training. I would imagine much of this is procedural and safety related, probably of minimal expense. Religious debate aside, if the majority of the local populous approves of spending $89 (?) to train a pastor to ride along with a cop one night a week, so be it.

Willtell
reply to post by SevenThunders

 

To Muslims, since you worship a man, you are the pagan.

Your sectarian bigotry is the real problem, the source of most of what is evil about religion, you exemplify.

edit on 13-10-2013 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

We worship a God whom they call a man out of ignorance.

Regarding fear (replying to another post), there is no reason to be "Good" or "moral" without punishment of being immoral. NO REASON AT ALL.

If you could do whatever you want, not get arrested and go to prison, you'd do whatever you want. It's the way things are.

mantisfortress
The full article states that the pastors are volunteers. The only taxpayer funded part is their training. I would imagine much of this is procedural and safety related, probably of minimal expense. Religious debate aside, if the majority of the local populous approves of spending $89 (?) to train a pastor to ride along with a cop one night a week, so be it.

edit on 10pm10313535f2013Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:35:35 -050031 by mantisfortress because: spelling

Democracy is only tolerable when it serves the purposes of the liberals and atheists.

Ok. I don't see a problem with this. As long as they are paying the pastors a working wage, who cares, it keeps them off the streets and at least there will be a witness right there when the cops start kicking the crud out of you because you dare to ask WHY they are kicking the crud out of you. The simple answer. They don't have to anymore, thats the LAW! Police = State Pastor = Religion, put the two together, and you've got the Union of Socialist States of America! (or a country with a D.H.S., a Patriot Act, and police who no longer need a SINGLE reason to detain you on the street, and take your ass to jail WITHOUT being able to charge you with a crime.

Anyway, it's this simple. Don't call the cops. Don't talk to the Cops. Don't help the cops and ABOVE all things, don't TRUST the cops, they are being paid to keep the governments boot on your throat. Just like the Fireman, Doctors, Lawyers already being employed by the government.

Fight the future, show no mercy, and make the bastards PAY!

reply to post by CarbonBase

. .. I don't see a problem with this. As long as they are paying the pastors a working wage, who cares, it keeps them off the streets

First I need to say that made me lol.

Now I have to ask we're you trying to make a joke there?

If not will you please elaborate further on that part so I can better understand your meaning.

If it was a joke....well...good one.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Well, it's better than having them screaming on street corners, or stopping you on the street and asking if I've been "saved". So yeah, having them riding with police isn't such a bad idea. Pastors are supposed to be trained to work with the bereaved and the unhinged, and to provide comfort and services for those displaced or who hacve experienced some tragedy. I'm glad I gave yoiu a smile, but the part about the cops is all true. They aren't cops like they used to be, they are more like the NKVD. and that's bad for everyone

The Christian equivalent of the Taliban .. Please..

HooHaa
The Christian equivalent of the Taliban .. Please..

OH so they are out there cutting off the hands of the thieves, and beheading the infidels, and mutilating some vaginas on the side?

reply to post by CarbonBase


Trained counselors would do a much better job and be far more usefull. The religious nut jobs should stay on their street corners. These people have admited(gone on record) saying they are going to be taking advantage of situations to convert. It's disgusting IMHO.

This will wind up in court.

FreeMason

Willtell
reply to post by SevenThunders

 

To Muslims, since you worship a man, you are the pagan.

Your sectarian bigotry is the real problem, the source of most of what is evil about religion, you exemplify.

edit on 13-10-2013 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

We worship a God whom they call a man out of ignorance.

Regarding fear (replying to another post), there is no reason to be "Good" or "moral" without punishment of being immoral. NO REASON AT ALL.

If you could do whatever you want, not get arrested and go to prison, you'd do whatever you want. It's the way things are.

edit on 13-10-2013 by FreeMason because: (no reason given)

Are you suggesting that a person who is immoral won't be punished by humans, society and possibly even themselves through guilt? Humans are built with a moral compass and I have posted this many times in other threads. The Yale baby lab has been working to prove this for awhile. A sense of empathy and the family unit is something that anthropologists have shown to be an inherent trait that mammals have had for millions of years.