So the Republicans are Terrorists now...

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Now who's being a drama queen. Can you say "Hyperbole"?

windword
The GOP is beating a dead horse. They're holding the American people hostage. Some 500,000 jobs are on the line, that will affect everyone from the paperboy to your plumber to you Grandmother's "Meals on Wheels".

And you have the gall to call me a "drama queen"? Even question hyperbole? Good lord....have fun....

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Federal government shutdown puts local Meals on Wheels and other nonprofits at risk

Department of Commerce: 87 percent of the agency's 46,420 employees would be sent home. (The Weather Service would keep running, for instance, but the Census Bureau would close down.)

Department of Defense: 50 percent of the 800,000 civilian employees would be sent home while all 1.4 million active-duty military members would stay on. (Environmental engineers, for instance, would get furloughed, and the agency could not sign any new defense contracts.)

Department of Energy: Thanks to multi-year funding, parts of the agency can actually operate for "a short period of time" after Sept. 30. But eventually 69 percent of the agency's 13,814 employees will be sent home. (Those in charge of nuclear materials and power grids stay. Those conducting energy research go home.)

Environmental Protection Agency: 94 percent of the 16,205 employees will be sent home. (Those protecting toxic Superfund sites stay. Pollution and pesticide regulators get sent home.)
Federal Reserve: Everyone would stay, since the central bank has an independent source of funding.

Department of Health and Human Services: 52 percent of 78,198 employees would be sent home. (Those running the Suicide Prevention Lifeline would stay, those in charge of investigating Medicare fraud would go home.)

Department of Homeland Security: 14 percent of the 231,117 employees would go home. (Border Patrol would stay. Operations of E-Verify would cease. The department will also suspend disaster-preparedness grants to states and localities.)

Department of Housing and Urban Development: 95 percent of the 8,709 employees would go home. (Those in charge of guaranteeing mortgages at Ginnie Mae would stay, as would those in charge of homelessness programs. Almost everything else would come to a halt.)

Department of Interior: 81 percent of the 72,562 employees would be sent home. (Wildlife law enforcement officers would stay, while the national parks would close.)

Department of Justice: 15 percent of the 114,486 employees would go home. (FBI agents, drug enforcement agents, and federal prison employees would stay. The department would continue running background checks for gun sales. Some attorneys would go home.)

Department of Labor: 82 percent of the 16,304 employees would be sent home. (Mine-safety inspectors will stay. Wage and occupational safety regulators will go home. Employees compiling economic data for the Bureau of Labor Statistics will also get furloughed.)

NASA: 97 percent of the 18,134 employees would be sent home. (Scientists working on the International Space Station will stay. Many engineers will go home.)

U.S. Postal Service: Everyone would stay, since the Postal Service is self-funded.

Social Security Administration: 29 percent of the 62,343 employees would be sent home. (Claims representatives would stay; actuaries would go home.)

Supreme Court and federal courts. Federal courts, will continue to operate for approximately two weeks with reserve funds. After that, only essential employees would continue to work, as determined by the chief judge, with the rest furloughed. (The Supreme Court will continue to operate when it opens Oct. 7, as it did in previous shutdowns.)

Department of Treasury: 80 percent of the 112,461 employees will be sent home. (Those sending out Social Security checks would stay; IRS employees overseeing audits would go home.)

Department of Transportation: 33 percent of the 55,468 employees will get sent home. (Air-traffic controllers will stay on; most airport inspections will cease.)

Department of Veterans Affairs: 4 percent of the 332,025 employees would go home. (Hospital workers will stay; some workers in charge of processing benefits will go home.)
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reply to post by windword


It also puts my job of ensuring that the navigation and surveillance systems in place are working properly and provide the advertised services to the airline industry to fly and land safely (millions of people; not just the elderly), but you don't see me proclaiming some emotional argument towards that now do you?

Yes programs will be affected but your stance predicates on one leg -- that there is no other options other than that which the government provides. Programs such as Meals on Wheels and other non-profits can obtain their funding from generous persons wanting to do good in the world. Do you think that the airlines are going to pay my paycheck?

reply to post by ownbestenemy


I'm not the one who made a thread claiming to be offended and hurt by the angry backlash that happened because of the GOP's move to shut down the government. I'm not taking it personally and claiming to be a victim, not a terrorist.

I think what the GOP is doing is appalling. They are pitting the middle class against the lower class, putting the middle class on the bargain table in exchange for affordable health care for the low class.

Very Machiavellian!

reply to post by windword


It was Obama who shut down the government.

thesaneone
reply to post by windword

 

It was Obama who shut down the government.

edit on 1-10-2013 by thesaneone because: (no reason given)

Really? How'd he do that? LOL!

windword
I'm not the one who made a thread claiming to be offended and hurt by the angry backlash that the GOP's move to shut down the government. I'm not taking it personally and claiming to be a victim, not a terrorist.

I think what the GOP is doing is appalling. They are pitting the middle class against the lower class, putting the middle class on the bargain table in exchange for affordable health care for the low class.

Very Machiavellian!

You set the trap nicely, I will give you that. While you didn't make the thread, you chose to engage in it and proclaim all of a party to be terrorist and that this move is by nature terrorism. Even in the shadow of other situations that I have provided, you then take some profound moral high-ground washing your hands clean. I don't buy it.

I have a question. With the last ditch effort by the GOP and the flat out denial of the Senate in terms that they and their staffers be subjugated to the same law (the law that you are defending), is that not pitting the ruling class against all other classes? Machiavellian indeed.

reply to post by XTexan


It's funny that Alex Jones said the DHS manuals said that conservatives, Libertarians, and returning vets are terrorist years ago. Seems like it's true after all. The government is going after the threat to their power.

The amendment to defund was shot down by the Senate and removed by the house. The most recent proposal by the GOP was to delay the individual mandate by one year. The same delay they gave the corporations. I see no problem with that.

In fact that delay for the corporations was made by Obama himself, he changed "The Law of the Land"!! Does that make him a Terrorist also?

If you honestly believe that half the population of the US are Terrorists, go see a doctor because I believe Paxil may be right for you...

Americans calling fellow Americans terrorists over a disagreement... pitiful... I guess Osama really did win...

reply to post by ownbestenemy


You know, Obamacare isn't the socialist, single payer system that he proposed. It's a creation of Congress and The Heritage Foundation. It went through all kinds of commitees and sessions, debates and lawsuits, before it became the law we have today.

Not like say, Patriot Act, brought to US by our grand ole GOP, Military Industrial Complex of Corporate Interest.

So, the Republicans are the terrorists, yet the Democrats just rejected a bill to provide veterans benefits while the government is shut down.

Anyone still arguing left vs rights has the wool firmly pulled over their eyes. Anyone still arguing left vs right isn't sincere in wanting to actually solve the issues. The problems run much deeper and are rooted above the two party system which is a facade in the first place, and any member of ATS of all places should be well aware of that.

reply to post by windword


Have I made such a claim that it is socialist or is this your attempt to divert the discussion that I am beginning to think you were losing...by the way, the Patriot Act was overwhelmingly (to the point that a veto would have been futile) passed by all of Congress; Democrat and Republican alike.

2001 Patriot Act
House Vote:
357-Yea --------------- 66 Nay
Senate Vote:
98-Yea ---------------- 1 Nay

Yep, must be a GOP thing.....good lord when will you learn to stop and see that you are now running in circles....

reply to post by ownbestenemy


My point is that The Patriot Act was railroaded through, and anyone who didn't kow-tow was called a "terrorist". The Affordable Care Act, on the other hand, had lots of time to go through channels and be challenged.

windword
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

My point is that The Patriot Act was railroaded through, and anyone who didn't kow-tow was called a "terrorist". The Affordable Care Act, on the other hand, had lots of time to go through channels and be challenged.

I am curious...who was called a "terrorist"; your quotes and thus meaning that is what they were called. You don't think that the PPACA was railroaded through? It was passed as if we were naming some obscure post office in the mid-west?

Do show me where Senators and Representatives were called, by the highest levels of Government; specifically Senate leaders and the President of the United States himself; terrorist.

You are being damn dishonest to try and cover your tracks. Sorry but I am done with you. You want to debate, I am fine. You start making this up, I can only stick around for so long.

It is your beloved "left" that has utilized that word to paint their enemies...own it.

windword
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

My point is that The Patriot Act was railroaded through, and anyone who didn't kow-tow was called a "terrorist". The Affordable Care Act, on the other hand, had lots of time to go through channels and be challenged.

Yes it was railroaded through, and the Patriot Act is an atrocity, though the catch phrase then was "unpatriotic, and unamerican"... If only there was a group in congress that tried like heck to get it repealed... Oh ya the Tea Party... But according to you, this is the law of the land. If they were shutting down the government to force the repeal of the patriot act I would agree wholeheartedly, but I guess you would still call them Terrorists...

reply to post by XTexan


I hate the republicans because of the lies they told over 911.
I hate the republicans because of the lies they told over Iraq.
I hate the republicans because of the lies they told over Saddam and Bin Laden.
I hate the republicans because they invaded Iraq
I hate the republicans because they invaded Afghanistan
I hate the republicans because they bailed out the banks

I couldn't care less what Murdoch Media BS is put out about tea parties, terrorists, or what ever.

I hate them because they lied, people died, they got rich and the poor are left to rot.

reply to post by XTexan


S&F!

I can only say this. Obama and those who voted for him must be the warmongers and Neo-Cons that they claimed conservatives were back when Bush was President.

From the continuations of Wars, to kill lists, to drone strikes not a peep out of the liberal camp. It seems they dont care whos doing the killing as long as their "kind" are running the show. That's the biggest shame of them all.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Did you watch the 5 second you-tube video I posted of George Bush saying "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." If you're with the terrorists, that makes you a terrorist, doesn't it? It does in my book.

Pres. Bush was accusing everyone, the from the highest echelon to the lowliest, or being terrorist of they disagreed with The Patriot Act and going to War in Iraq. I was against the Patriot Act and the Iraq war, so I was personally accused of being with the terrorists, by G W Bush.

In this case, the general population of people who descent on Obamacare aren't the target of Obama's "terrorist" accusations. Nobody is calling you or the OP a terrorist. It's those guys in Congress.

Don't take things so personally.

Agit8dChop
I hate the republicans because of the lies they told over 911.

The same "lies" told by democrats?

I hate the republicans because of the lies they told over Iraq.

The same "lies" from democrats who agreed that we should go to war?

I hate the republicans because of the lies they told over Saddam and Bin Laden.
I hate the republicans because they invaded Iraq
I hate the republicans because they invaded Afghanistan
I hate the republicans because they bailed out the banks

See above....but if you want to have someone to blame without actually applying any logic, I suppose you could be right.

I hate them because they lied, people died, they got rich and the poor are left to rot.

Not even going to touch this one...

When you grow up and educate yourself, let me know.