reply to post by xuenchen
Okay let's go through these ten planks:
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
We're not even close to that yet.
Top 5 largest private landowners:
1. John Malone--former CEO of Liberty Media and Tel-Com. Primary Market: Media. Owns 2.1 million acres.
2. Ted Turner--former CEO/founder of CNN and TBS among other things. PrimaryMarket: Media Owns: 2 million acres.
3. Archie Aldis Emmerson--founder of Sierra Pacific Industries. Primary Market: Lumber. Owns 1.7 million acres.
4. Brad Kelley--NC2 Media and Commonwealth Brand Tobacco (former) Primary Market: Media Owns 1.7 million acres.
5. Irving Famiy (patriarch JD Irving)--founder JD Irving Lumber. Primary Market: Lumber Owns: 1.25 million.
The US Government would be the largest landowner at 650 million acres. However, the total acreage for the US is 2.3 billion acres. The government
only owns 28% of all the land in the US. The remaining 1.65 billion acres is owned by individuals, corporations or foundations. So much for the
abolition of all property in land...or rents, no less, for public purpose. I'd hazard that currently the major banks are probably some of the
largest corporate property holders still.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Only true on the surface. We do have a graduated income tax; however, the majority of the
ultra-wealthy pay a lower effective tax rate than the top marginal tax bracket because of the kind of income they have. Mostly capital gains and
dividends. In fact, as an accountant, I was taught that a way to offset taxes was to be paid in stock options and dividends...
3. Abolition over all rights of inheritance.
In fact, estate taxes have grown more lenient over the years. It used to be more severe but these days one can exempt the first $2 million of
inheritance after deductions from tax. That was improved upon even more in the allowance of a surviving spouse to also use any unused portion of
their deceased spouse's lifelong exemption in 2010 for a possible maximum of $4 million exemption. More being exempt from estate taxes does not
equate to all of it being claimed by the state according to this plank.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
I haven't seen any evidence of that though there has been cases of weapon
seizures. Partly true?
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
the Federal Reserve is a deliberate mixture of state and private banking.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
Internet--Large corporations own and control the primary backbone for the internet in the US along with much of the lines. Smaller isps also own
parts of the physical internet communications as well as individuals. The ownership is very diverse.
Telephone--ATT, Verizon, et al.
Television--In terms of cable, you have a handful of cable companies (ie Comcast, Verizon). In terms of channels, you have about 5 or 6 corporations
running most of the channels.
Transport--only place where it's true. In the US, after toll abuse, it was decided to make roads a shared responsibility between the state
government and the federal. As far as railroad, I believed that is a mixed ownership. Airports are publicly owned.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into the cultivation of waste lands, and improvement of
the soil in accordance with a common plan.
Our largest manufacturing sector would be the defense sector. That is privatized. In fact, the move to privatize the Department of Defense through
the use of defense contractors has been increasing over at least the last 10 years.
Second part is a dated principal. Locally, what would be viewed as a "waste land" is left as it is to help protect private property from flooding.
Third, regulation of what goes into the soil and water tables should be a no brainer unless you like PCBs in your drinking water.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Most of our manufacturing takes place in China where you may find industrial armies. Even our super farms here in the US don't have "armies"
tending them but a lot of automation iirc. Kind of a funny one to consider coming into fruition really concurrent with claims of the US being a
"welfare state where lazy people don't have to work".
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all distinction between town and country by a more equable
distribution of the populace over the country.
So much for "equable distribution of the populace over the country."
And we let the majority of our manufacturing leave the country via trade agreements...
10. Free education for children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination with education with
industrial production, etc.
2/3rds absolutely correct and I must say, thank god for the second part. The third part, not really applicable but could be amended to be creating of
a labor force. Then it would be true. However, the biggest proponents for this stuff were a bunch of eugenicists and elitists from the 20's and
Overall, I would say that if there is indeed centralization going on within the US, it is not a federal centralization but a corporate centralization.
If you look at just about each plank, you'll see the names of big corporations behind them.