Did Abraham ever really exist?

reply to post by Lone12

...as Hitler said: the bigger the Lie the more will believe it.

You can't even get that right.

It is a simplified paraphrase of Joseph Goebbels saying; "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Slightly off-topic, but it seems you are as the quote says, trying to "repress dissent".

Replace the word "state" in the above quote with "church" or "religion" and see what you get.

wildtimes
reply to post by Lone12

 

just know that
you wont find No Proof for the OP s title.

- since its a Lie.

How do you KNOW it's a 'lie'? You're just going to fly-by post, without sources or any solid argument?

C'mon - throw us a bone. Please provide your evidence that 'it's a lie'.

- even THAT is a LIE what you say now.

i DO show you: you just dont Bother to READ.

thread Luna and moon final

...but do i expect you to actually READ that ? - ofcourse not.

- you re totally satisfied with your 1 liners opnions.

And you really think , i d seriously discuss these with you - without you give even a ** to READ ??

- ofcourse not.

Beavers
is this fact now tho? or just based on zecharia sitchin's translations?

Here .. this will get you started ... Psalm 104
And no ... Zecharia Sitchin wasn't the first to come up with the obvious comparisons.

FlyersFan
reply to post by randyvs

 

I thought you weren't here to participate in the thread.
Couldn't help yourself ?? Just had to, eh??

There is a severe lack of evidence that Abraham existed.
The Abraham story wasn't written down until 1500 years later.
Three major world religions have Abraham as their 'father in religion'.

I find it odd that so much is based on a story that can't be proven ...
and that much of it can be disproven.

Alright, I'll participate a little bit,.
Only by popular demand.

Threre major religions is a lack of evidence. Blow that smoke !

Lone12
- believe Just As You Desire, dear FF.

Dude .. it's not belief .. it's a matter of fact.
Psalms ... like 104 ... taken from Egyptian hymns to Akenaten that predate David.
It's all there. That's not opinion .. it's fact.

..this is the problem with you guys:

you hear somewhere 1 phrase,
and you consider it "true",

because you connect it with óther HOLLOW phrases.

- but that aint "thinking"..?

please dont do that to us ?

1-dimensional combining of phrases, of one-liners..?

that is what brought us this entire "present fake israel is Gods promise"..!

yet YOU DO THE SAME !

you condamn those pesky, simpletons who got tricked by believing this israel is God's -
yet you do EXACTLY THE SAME !

by considering poor, false proof,
false context,
and then go base your "opinion" about that

..sigh.

Dont.

- please.

reply to post by Lone12


Sorry dude can you stop typing in the style of James T Kirk, I just read your post in his voice...

Lone12
you wont find No Proof for the OP s title.
- since its a Lie.

The title asks the question if Abraham existed. A question can't be a lie.
And I gave proof showing that Abraham probably didn't exist .. or at the
very least it can't be proven he exists.

You have given nothing to counter that .. except some pretty wonky far out
something that I can't even tell what you are talking about.

Post some facts .... or move along. Thanks.

reply to post by Lone12

- even THAT is a LIE what you say now.

WHAT is a LIE?

i DO show you: you just dont Bother to READ.

Read WHAT? The Bible?

thread Luna and moon final

...but do i expect you to actually READ that ? - ofcourse not.

I honestly do not know what you expect me to read. ???

- you re totally satisfied with your 1 liners opnions.

Sorry, I still don't get what you're talking about.
"1 liners"? ME? LOL I'm the "wall of text" regent here.

My 'opinion' is based on YEARS of research, soul-searching, discernment, and critical thinking.

You've got nothing, my friend.
Sorry.

Lone12
..this is the problem with you guys

Here's the problem with you ... lots of highfalutin insults and no substance.
Post some information with sources ... or move along. Thank you.

FlyersFan

Lone12
- believe Just As You Desire, dear FF.

Dude .. it's not belief .. it's a matter of fact.
Psalms ... like 104 ... taken from Egyptian hymns to Akenaten that predate David.
It's all there. That's not opinion .. it's fact.

yes...right... 'a matter of fact'...

well -

i know more about those things then you Ever will :

and i tell you: there is only 1 thing that counts:

to know the Truth.

- i claim to know that - the Lies which try to imprison Truth -
and not for me,
but for sake of many Souls -
and i WILL NOT slip nor give it away.

You go ahead, believe whatever you wish to believe :

in the spiritual realm, it will condamn yóu, only,
and *will not* affect His goal.

So Be It.

FlyersFan

Lone12
..this is the problem with you guys

Here's the problem with you ... lots of highfalutin insults and no substance.
Post some information with sources ... or move along. Thank you.

- you re Too Lazy to go Read.
see above post.

reply to post by Lone12

Now you are just trolling.

We've posted information and facts.
You are just insulting and claiming to know more.

And the previous poster is right .. you post like James T. Kirk ...

Stop trolling and go away.


ETA .. OKAY FOLKS ... DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

reply to post by Lone12


You don't know the truth, neither does anyone and to claim you do is either arrogance or delusion.
Oh and I will listen to flyers before you, cos she has lived it all, seen it and I reckon is one of the most wisest people on ATS.
She is using her mind to question things, If you want to be ignorant and not question anything goto a Christian website where you can all agree.

Oh and stop with the threats, you are not the judge the big fella is.

wildtimes
reply to post by Lone12

 

- even THAT is a LIE what you say now.

WHAT is a LIE?

i DO show you: you just dont Bother to READ.

Read WHAT? The Bible?

thread Luna and moon final

...but do i expect you to actually READ that ? - ofcourse not.

I honestly do not know what you expect me to read. ???

- you re totally satisfied with your 1 liners opnions.

Sorry, I still don't get what you're talking about.
"1 liners"? ME? LOL I'm the "wall of text" regent here.

My 'opinion' is based on YEARS of research, soul-searching, discernment, and critical thinking.

You've got nothing, my friend.
Sorry.

edit on 9/24/13 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

*grin*

'nothing'...?

look here,
not my fault you re lazy.

- I ve told you where to can read - you dont give a ----.
Fine.

But you come to ME if you want to know something:
i certainly wont "go provide yóu substances" here.

and let you shoot them or either confirm them -

since you re Incapable of any sincere judgment about them.


Hot Air.
Thats what you are, Sir.

boymonkey74
reply to post by Lone12

 

You don't know the truth, neither does anyone and to claim you do is either arrogance or delusion.
Oh and I will listen to flyers before you, cos she has lived it all, seen it and I reckon is one of the most wisest people on ATS.
She is using her mind to question things, If you want to be ignorant and not question anything goto a Christian website where you can all agree.

Oh and stop with the threats, you are not the judge the big fella is.

so ?

go listen to her ?

did i ever say you shouldnt ?

- i only said "she wont fond NO PROOF for the OP s title".

- even you ALL make a Monstrum
to try believe that indeed ' abraham never existed'.

Didnt i wish those of you Good Luck with that..?

go try !
be my guest.

Go find your ' proofs '.

- i ll be watching.

reply to post by Lone12


Please stop typing

Like that

I read somewhere that

People who do this are not right in the


Head.


Oh and I will listen to her because she has pointed out facts and dates etc you have pointed out nothing more than you are incapable of critical thought about your religion.
Even If you were proved wrong in which club you follow you wouldn't accept it.

- just:

do come with SOLID 'proof'.

...and not with smokecurtains

and , for goodness sake, give Contextual 'proof'.

..or you d be doing the same as fighting why 9/11 was or was not done by the gbberment, and adding 'proofs' why or why not :

yet totally IGNORING the fact WHY they should ve done it.

..thats all.

boymonkey74
reply to post by Lone12

 

Please stop typing

Like that

I read somewhere that

People who do this are not right in the


Head.


Oh and I will listen to her because she has pointed out facts and dates etc you have pointed out nothing more than you are incapable of critical thought about your religion.
Even If you were proved wrong in which club you follow you wouldn't accept it.

see above post.

And quit trying to escape your responsability.
Thats Childish.

You support an idea ? - PROOVE IT.

reply to post by Lone12


Right back at you...come up with solid proof that he existed and Jesus...oh wait you can't.