anti-americanism

Originally posted by verfed
You can't blame Bush! America elected him. America has decided. Your condemnation of Bush are a slap in the face to the millions who voted for Bush.

Also what developed country has no big businesses?

You probably wouldn't consider them developed, but Palestine. You know, that country right next to Israel?

Americans have the right to say what they wish about Bush, except for threatening him with his life. If that's a slap in the face to the voters, then to be barred from saying it is a slap in the face of freedom.

Don't you love your limited freedom?

Yeah, Americans should be allowed to threaten the life of President.

That's real intelligent.

Mod Edit: Removed gore picture.

[edit on 14-11-2004 by dbates]

Wow, graphic image there, just goes to show that if someone wants to do something enough they'll do it without threatening a President. JFK was a great man, and no President deserves to die for their actions in office.

[edit on 14-11-2004 by Jamuhn]

Originally posted by Jamuhn
Wow, graphic image there, just goes to show that if someone wants to do something enough they'll do it without threatening a President. JFK was a great man, and no President deserves to die for their actions in office.

[edit on 14-11-2004 by Jamuhn]

And if I threaten the president and nothing is done and then go out and actually kill him, what would you say then?

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by Jamuhn
Wow, graphic image there, just goes to show that if someone wants to do something enough they'll do it without threatening a President. JFK was a great man, and no President deserves to die for their actions in office.

[edit on 14-11-2004 by Jamuhn]

And if I threaten the president and nothing is done and then go out and actually kill him, what would you say then?

Well, if it's against the law, it wouldn't happen now would it?

I want to expand on absolute power.

Some of you really need to hop off your high horse, because if any of you were given the kind of power, wealth, and influence these people have you'd be a corrupt bastard too.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and there are few if any that could immune themselves to that.

I don't hate Bush. Or Cheney. Or Halliburton. Or the drug companies. Or insurance companies. They are products of our power, not sources of corruption. Hopefully the day will come when we can cede some or most of our wealth and power without destroying who and what we as Americans are at our cores.

Originally posted by Jamuhn

Well, if it's against the law, it wouldn't happen now would it?

If you had your way, we'd be free to.

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by Jamuhn

Well, if it's against the law, it wouldn't happen now would it?

If you had your way, we'd be free to.

I never recalled saying that my way was to allow absolute freedom of speech. There are those that are responsible enough to say such things with full knowledge that it will never come to fruition. There are those that will say such things which must be taken seriously. Then, there are those who will never say such things and will do it anyway. But to answer your question, I refer you to this speech.

We of this mighty western Republic have to grapple with the dangers that spring from popular self-government tried on a scale incomparably vaster than ever before in the history of mankind, and from an abounding material prosperity greater also than anything which the world has hitherto seen.

As regards the first set of dangers, it behooves us to remember that men can never escape being governed. Either they must govern themselves or they must submit to being governed by others. If from lawlessness or fickleness, from folly or self-indulgence, they refuse to govern themselves, then most assuredly in the end they will have to be governed from the outside. They can prevent the need of government from without only by showing that they possess the power of government from within, a sovereign can not make excuses for his failures; a sovereign must accept the responsibility for the exercise of the power that inheres in him, and where, as is true in our Republic, the people are sovereign, then the people must show a sober understanding and a sane and steadfast purpose if they are to preserve that orderly liberty upon which as a foundation every republic must rest.

www.securedparty.org...

It's up to you...

Good quote.

Here's one of my favorites:

Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people in order to betray them.

www.lonang.com...

[edit on 14-11-2004 by Ibn Iblis]

Very good quote you have too.

You know I've read that the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the United States of America are two different documents. One missing the original 13th Amendment which was burned when the British set fire to Washington DC.

Originally posted by verfed
How can you not be jealous of Americas 11 trillion dollar purchasing power parity? Stop lieing to yourself! Of course you want that much money. Unless you are a super hippy or a mountian man you want that money! If you don't then your government certainly does.

So kind of you to gloat for the elite. Good little subordinate.

Also America is a nation of immigrants. Millions and millions of people left their crappy countries to come to America to start a better life for themselves all the while using the wealth America has to offer for those who get an education and work hard.

I wish Jose, who cuts your lawns, all the best in his pursuit for education and wealth. Possibly after serving in Iraq for a few years so he can have access to college.

It is ok to be jealous of America. It is ok to try to make yourself better. It is ok to want to leave your socialist society and come to a capitalist country where educated people can exploit there knowledge and turn it into wealth and their American dream.

And you can't do that in Australia? Hell I can exploit my knowledge and turn it into wealth IN America FROM my socialist society of Australia! All while enjoying the 5th highest standard of living in the world.

Also an attack on the government of America is an attack on its people. America actually elects its president. Americans elect their senators. They elect their governors and their representatives.

Who cares then if you think that way. It's all about intent. If you feel insulted by an attack on your government then that is your problem. Deal with it. Meanwhile I will continue to berate your government everytime it sticks it's snout in my country's affairs. Ok?

Stop fooling yourself that your only "condemning the leaders!" BS! You haters are attacking the people of United States of America!

Always need an enemy eh. That is your common motivation, hate. That is what brings you all together as an ideology. If it wasn't, you'd just be at eachothers throats instead. I feel sorry for you verfed.

[edit on 14-11-2004 by cargo]