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darkbake
reply to post by arpgme
So, tell me what you think about this, I don't actually care about material things - but I really like interacting with stuff, and this includes ideas
Drala
Don't forget to read the part in my post about prana and darma...
Everything is dual...desire and contentment are inseparable in many ways, I was mainly just pointing out there can be life-force without desire and therefore desire is not life-force...I am not here to debate if duality is actually and illusion of one...
NthOther
That's the problem with desire. It is driven by an errant way of perceiving the world as a collection of separate and distinct objects that can be commodified and "owned".
IandEye
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You like what I did there calling all those other religious figures "wrong" like you so blantantly did to the Buddha?
IandEye
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you are obviously a spiritual materialist- someone who seeks spirituality to make themselves feel better and to try and and control,
IandEye
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as opposed to a seeker of Truth which involves the death of the Self and selfish desire.
spartacus699
I'd be really careful not to let all kinds of things end up "defining" who you are as a person. Like your stuff, your titles, your money, the people around you etc etc. That stuff can end up defining who you are when really you're none of it. You're just a life force in a human body. You're not your material positions, but if you end up identifying with them so closely that they define you, it's not good cuz you're just living out of the ego.
arpgme
reply to post by darkbake
Desire is not just about "objects". People can desire, "happiness", "love", and even... detachment...
Most people desire to have, without actually liking the desire itself. They want to have a million dollars, but they don't like the way the "desire" feels of it. They just want to HAVE it.
"having" and "wanting" are not necessarily the same thing. Sure, most people "want in order to have", but you can also "want for the sake of wanting - for the pure enjoyment of wanting".
arpgme
reply to post by mOjOm
If what you "want" is the desire, then there is no lack.
If you want "something" and don't take time to enjoy the feeling of the "wanting", then you will feel lack.
arpgme
reply to post by mOjOm
If what you "want" is the desire, then there is no lack.
If you want "something" and don't take time to enjoy the feeling of the "wanting", then you will feel lack.
graceunderpressure
True, and another way of saying it is that it's the journey, not the destination.
I also think that our human impulses, emotions and desires are not bad in and of themselves. It's what we do with them, through our free will that makes us monsters or angels.
Namaste
IandEye
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lol....that WAS gentle muchacho. The OP said the Buddha was wrong in the title (which has since been changed). Jesus was wrong. mMoses was wrong. Mohammed was wrong. But not the Buddha.
plus this guy is on a Satanist-Pagan-Pantheist trip (the OPPOSITE of Buddhism) and that aint my path "brother".edit on 17-9-2013 by IandEye because: (no reason given)
mOjOm
All of which is just another way of saying what you're saying for the most part isn't it??? If one Want's to Want there is no Lacking anything!!! Right?!?!?
arpgme
If you want to have something and you get it, that attainment is just extra because but focusing in this way, you would have already been happy from the feeling of want alone.
IandEye
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that's a pretty bold title- to call the Buddha and therefore millions of followers over thousands of years "wrong". Sorry to say, but it's your limited understanding which is wrong.
here are the 4 noble truths and there is no mention of desire:
1. Existence is suffering.
2. Suffering is caused by ignorance of the true nature of Self.
Desire is life.