Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

a reply to: pheonix358

You are so correct. With 3 China Syndromes going on, there's no fixing it. They should be considering covering the whole area like Russia is getting ready to do over Chernobyl... But that won't stop the water from going into the ocean.
Nuclear energy is not safe, well the lite water reactors aren't. Remember a couple years ago the rivers leading to the Mississippi river were flooded? Well, a couple of npp were on those rivers, fuel stored in some "bunkers" were flooded. One in Georgia was leaking tritium into the river, those in VA leaking pipes into the ground and possibly the ground water. The only reason they use lite water reactors is to make bomb fuel. There's no need for lite water reactors over thorium salt reactors, which are not perfect, but miles safer than lite water. Only downside is they can't make bombs with the left overs like lite water reactors. Which is FINE by me.
1995 GAC and Russia went into a deal to make Liquid helium modular reactors to burn up the fissionable material left over from the Salt Treaties... these reactors consumed the fuel. So why aren't we making them here??? Once again, you can make bombs using these.
So the "safer" reactor types are not used, mainly because the output in steam isn't as high, and you can't make bombs with them.
Sad, but it's true.

a reply to: GeekOfTheWeek


China Syndrome is an old and archaic term that needs to go away.


Molten nuclear fuel has less viscosity than lava, and like any other liquid, it will seek the path of least resistance.

A melted core does not sink straight down in one big blob as depicted in the movie "China Syndrome", it branches out as it follows gravity and the path of least resistance.

If a corium were to escape total containment and make its way into the ground, it would look very much like the picture of a tree..... if the trunk were the melted core, then the roots would be what the corium would look like. It would travel only as far as its heat would allow it, the more it branches out the faster it naturally cools, therefore it's journey into the earth would be dictated by quite a few factors.... but going to the center of the earth as one big glowing hot blob of melted nuclear fuel is not one of them.

There is an excellent video online of a controlled meltdown that show exactly how this process works.

a reply to: RickinVa

There is a well known photo from Chernobyl called the 'Elephant's Foot' that looked like a blob that was more solid than liquid - I think that's the picture people get when they hear China Syndrome.

Does it make any difference what the melt through is made of and how hot it is when its leaving? Way back in this thread the melting cores were nick-named 'poolium' because of its complicated mixture of all kinds of bad things. One can only hope what is heading into the earth doesn't hit enough water to cause a reaction. Maybe enough of it blew up into the atmosphere so that the volume remaining on the ground is substantially less.... though I think it's far preferred to have the stuff go deep into the soil/rocks than water and air.

originally posted by: BobAthome
A Question:
If after all this time, 3 + yrs,, the effects of Nuclear Contamination is Negligable
as most have suggested, on the expert side ,
Then why worry about nuclear war?, the deterent was radiation fallout,,is bad.
Apparently not so, according too the evidence of the Fukushima situation.
1095 days of 300 Tons per day, thats ~328,000 tons of radioactive material. With ZERO effect.???

So is the effect of radiation fallout,, a lie?,,so that nuclear war was unthinkable?

maybe.

Fukushima's explosion wasn't a nuclear explosion. It was a hydrogen one, so comparing the two doesn't even really make any sense, even by your lowly standards.

Wow...In Shock...

Brought to my attention via Enenews.com (accolades):

documents.coastal.ca.gov...

enenews.com... flowing-ocean-years-fukushima-radionuclides-spread-north-pac

And this:

TEPCO steps up control to prevent troubles
The operator of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says it will monitor work there more closely.

Tokyo Electric Power Company told the government on Monday that it has designated 14 blocks within the plant, covering the Number One to Number 4 reactor buildings and wastewater storage tanks.

TEPCO has appointed managers to oversee work in each of the 14 blocks. Official at the utility introduced the measure after a string of problems in recent months.

About 100 tons of highly radioactive wastewater leaked from a tank in February because a valve that should have been closed was open.

Pumps that should have been idle were found running in April. 200 tons of wastewater flowed into the wrong building.

Workers at the plant are battling to deal with the buildup of contaminated water. But the amount of time they can spend at the plant is limited to prevent overexposure to radiation.

TEPCO officials have informed the government that work to install more storage tanks for contaminated water is about a month behind schedule. They blamed a flawed plan and a shortage of concrete.

Officials at the utility say they will allocate more workers to build tanks for 800,000 tons of wastewater by the end of next March.
May 19, 2014 - Updated 10:49 UTC

www3.nhk.or.jp...

- Purple Chive

a reply to: Alekto

There is an assumption in your reply that even a hydrogen explosion doesn't take with it anything nuclear. They have found nuclear parts of the reactor in Europe 'from' the explosion. You think it was just 'water' that blew up? lol

Commencement of Operation of Groundwater Bypass at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station

www.tepco.co.jp...


Sooooooooooooo Tepco is starting a plan to bypass some of the groundwater from seeping into the reactors....sounds like a good plan until you remember that every single time Tepco tries to do something, they either screw it up horribly bad or trying to solve one problem creates 3 or 4 more. (Whack-a-mole, Tepco style)

Can't wait to see what problems pop up with this one. Every engineer knows that you just can't simply turn off the flow of groundwater without other issues popping up...... like sinking of the ground where the water is removed, a distinct possibility and not a very good idea with 3 melted reactors nearby.

Fun times indeed!!!!

This is a very informative video about hot particle density over Japan (and probably North America and beyond)

agreenroad.blogspot.ca...

2014 - Fukushima Hot Particle (Fuel Flea) Found 300 Miles Away, Measured At 40 Quintillion Bq/kg

As of 2014, screaming hot radioactive Fukushima nano particles continue to circulate around the world, 3 years after 3 different Fukushima nuclear reactors melted down, blew up and then melted through. Hot particles continue to be found very far away from Fukushima. In the following case, the hot particle sample that Marco Kaltofen, Civil Engineer & Ph.D. Candidate at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) got, came from Nagoya in Japan, which is 460 kilometers from the Fukushima mega nuclear disaster site.

The most interesting part of this story is that this hot particle was found inside a home, in a vacuum cleaner bag. That means that this hot particle was floating around outside, and then got inside the house either via dust floating in, or it was carried in on the shoes or via clothing, pet hair, etc.

Gundersen: This video “confirms our worst fears” — Scientist: Reactor core materials found almost 500 km from Fukushima plant — 40,000,000,000,000,000,000 Bq/kg — Can travel very, very significant distances — Hot particles found in 25% of samples from Tokyo and Fukushima

Just watched the HBO Vice show on Fukushima.


Fukushima is a LOT LOT worse than people think.


I now believe a large area of Japan is screwed for the next several thousand years.

I found the part about the radiation monitoring stations to be the smoking gun... they repeated the same thing that was going around youtube about a year ago.


A government radiation monitoring station near a playground shows low levels of radiation.... but a mere 20 feet away when placed on the ground, radiation readings are magnitudes higher.


Time reveals all truths.... its only been a little over 3 years.... the pro nukers say...see, its harmless... nothing bad is happening.... but something bad is happening, only it can take years or decades to manifest. My guess Fukushima will be looked at as much much worse in 20 years than it is today.

The amount of cover up and denial about Fukushima is astounding.


It should be noted for record, that Tepco refused to be interviewed about Fukushima by the Vice team.

a reply to: RickinVa

I don't get the show but found this 4 minute trailer about the Playing with Fire Vice Episode.... a small nip of reality... it's their dirty little secret and we, even for all our speculation and data gathering, probably only know the tip of the iceberg.
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: wishes

The scene that stuck in my mind.... I wanted to scream "You have got to be kidding me"

They had a scene showing workers in the process of "decontaminating" the ground in the outlying areas of Fukushima...

They are using what basically amounts to a weed eater with blades to remove the top part of the soil to put in bags.... the amount of radioactive dust being kicked up was astonishing.....all they are doing is "make-work"... doing it because it has to be done whether its effective or not doesn't really seem to factor into this.

It's insane and I am now convinced that this is nothing but a huge cover up by Tepco and the Japanese Government that would shock the world if it ever gets out what is really going on at Fukushima.... I knew this all along, but now there really isn't any doubt anymore.

a reply to: RickinVa

Yes, there's a reason there's a media blackout - I'm amazed HBO got the footage they did. But the 'world' is fast asleep and even if it did get out in all its ugliness.... who's going to do anything that will make 'any' difference?

People that think we are 'doom porners' or 'fear mongers'... I wish more they can ever imagine that they could 'prove' us wrong because being right about this totally sucks. Gut feeling, common sense and just a cursory look at the harm radiation does (on top of all the lies governments do) leads to the obvious conclusion. Can't prove Fukushima either way without serious monitoring (which ain't gonna happen) and testing (which also ain't gonna happen). Time will tell... but only if records of an increase in cancer rates/defects relative to Fukushima are first documented and secondly compiled and thirdly released (which also ain't gonna happen).

Is only year 3... out of 40? 60? Might as well be eternity because it's going to go on for far longer than any of us will. Insidious doesn't begin to describe it.... them....

Another "Leak"?

Usually when cesium starts showing up on these readings...there is another "leak". And large jump in one day.

May 22, 2014:
www.tepco.co.jp...

May 23, 2014:
www.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive

a reply to: Purplechive

Hi PC and other Friends, our "Intrepid Searchers for the Truth"
and a hearty 'hello' to lurkers, near do well detractors, dissemblers and 'others'.

Great work, gang, and keep on keeping their feet to the fire!
This vid is always good with popcorn, especially in light of recent admissions by TEPCO




Fukushima Radiation Dispersal Area 1/2-Steven Starr 3July2013 - YouTube

Humanity’s ultimate survival and success may well be determined by the choices and actions we collectively take over the next few months, not years.

Humankind will either finally develop true wisdom or may very well perish...



Now, starting today it is up to you, to make the choice.
To either act, or to wait.
The future for your country rests in your hands.
Not ours, not the President's, not the government, not the corporations.
You must decide the vision you want your children, your family, yourself to see.
Let them expect you.

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

Here is a link to the debrief episode of HBO's Vice piece on Fukushima:


www.hbo.com...#/vice/episodes/02/20-playing-with-nuclear-fire-no-man-left-behind/video/debrief-playing-with-nuclear-fire.html/eNrjcmbO0CzLTE nNd8xLzKksyUx2zs8rSa0oUc-PSYEJBSSmp-ol5qYy5zMXsjGyMXIyMrJJJ5aW5BfkJFbalhSVpgIAXbkXOA==


check out the dude decontaminating the ground

Edit: Linky no worky... go to HBO.com...select series,,, then Vice

a reply to: RickinVa

I can't find/watch that episode - but I'm in Canada and don't know if that matters...?

They're very upset about a manga (serious medium in comic art form) depicting a journalist getting nosebleeds after visiting Fukushima ... There are numerous articles about this particular issue and the controversy it has created and of course continual 'denial' any nosebleeds are caused from radiation exposure. The former mayor does, in fact, suffer from daily nosebleeds...

Japanese comic book linking Fukushima disaster to nosebleeds comes under fire

The Japanese publisher of a comic that came under fire for linking radiation exposure at Fukushima to nosebleeds acknowledged Monday it had caused alarm and promised a review after the prime minister stepped into a growing row. The popular "Oishinbo" ("Gourmets") drew criticism in late April when it showed its main character, a newspaper reporter, having a nosebleed after visiting the tsunami-crippled nuclear plant. In the same edition, another character -- the real-life former mayor of a nearby town -- says: "There are many people who have the same symptom in Fukushima. I want to say we should not live in Fukushima as it is now." The manga caused uproar among people living in Fukushima, who already complain of discrimination, as well as pro-nuclear politicians who maintain there is no proven causal relationship between exposure to radiation and nosebleeds. They charged the comic would add fuel to rumours that have scared people away from farm and fishery products from the region, even if they comply with safety standards. Unlike comics in the West, manga are treated as a serious art form in Japan, on a par with novels, and are widely read among the adult population.

www.rawstory.com...

And here's what the former mayor depicted in this manga had to say about his role (I REALLY respect and admire this guy!):

Ex-mayor lashes back at criticism over depiction of nosebleeds in manga about Fukushima plant The former mayor of a Fukushima Prefecture town near the crippled Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant says he has no intention of retracting comments from a manga series in which he appears as himself, claiming he has been experiencing nosebleeds. Katsutaka Idogawa, 67, former mayor of the Fukushima Prefecture town of Futaba, is featured in the popular comic series "Oishinbo." The main character is a newspaper reporter who goes to cover the crippled Fukushima plant and later experiences nosebleeds when he comes back to Tokyo. Idogawa says his nose bleeds regularly and that there are many others in Fukushima who have developed similar symptoms. After receiving inquiries about the depiction in the story, publisher Shogakukan released a statement saying it decided to publish the issue respecting the author's expression, which was based on thorough research. Idogawa told a news conference on May 9 in Tokyo that he has heard many stories about local residents experiencing nosebleeds. He says his nose bleeds every day, especially in the mornings. "There is no way I would retract my comments in the manga," Idogawa said. Responding to Environment Minister Nobuteru Ishihara's criticism of the depiction, Idogawa commented, "The minister has no business with my physical condition."

mainichi.jp...

Has this been posted previously or anyone been aware of it before? It is a video showing how clouds floating above reactor 2 'disappear', presumably because of the intense radiation... anyone?

www.youtube.com...

On Tepco’s Fukushima live camera, it was observed that the cloud is missed above reactor2. The phenomena was found in the video recorded on 15:00~16:00 2/12/2012. Cloud flows from the right, which is the land side, but when it comes above reactor2, it vanishes as if there was a line in the sky.

Unit 1 Investigation...Nasty Black Stuff...

And Rusty!!!

photo.tepco.co.jp...

Water leak point detected at No.1 reactor

The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant says it has found the source of a water leak at the Number 1 reactor.

Tokyo Electric Power Company has been investigating the damage to the reactor's containment vessel, which contains melted nuclear fuel due to the 2011 accident.

The water is leaking from a point on a pipe leading to the containment vessel. An image taken by a robot probe shows a black area on the brown pipe.

The leak point is above a donut-shaped unit called a suppression chamber where a robotic investigation detected flows of contaminated water last November.
The chamber is in the lower part of the containment vessel.

Utility officials believe water from the damaged pipe is flowing to the lower part of the vessel. They say they will study ways to stop the leak.

Identifying the specific locations of the water leakage is important for TEPCO's plan to remove melted nuclear fuel after plugging the leaks and filling the vessels with water.

A contaminated water leak has also been found in the containment vessel of the Number 3 reactor. Officials say they will now investigate the suppression chamber and other parts of the Number 2 reactor.
May 27, 2014 - Updated 20:24 UTC

See NHK site for video of Nasty black stuff....
www3.nhk.or.jp...

- Purple Chive