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Prepare for Aryanisation: Holocaust Denial, Conspiracy Theory, Aliens and the Race Agenda

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posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 10:51 PM
In this essay, Lutz Klinkhammer touches on how Nazi geo-political methodology- if not ideology- may have been implemented by American based globalists after the War:

Mazower’s investigation of the Nazi search for a new international order, Nazi foreign policy, and geopolitics is meant to explain how the “rise and fall of a Nazi-dominated Europe” influenced the development of a new international order, replacing the “imperfect interwar hegemony of the British” with the “far more powerful global hegemony of the United States.” ...He is testing another hypothesis, focusing on the question of how Nazi ideas on shaping a New Order in Europe influenced the “visions of the management of international affairs.”
In such a perspective, the “period of the Nazi New Order in Europe”

...(It) had great relevance for the development of international institutions, especially the United Nations: for “the catalyst for their emergence was world war,” as before in the case of the League of Nations.

He's referring to the work of Mark Mazower, and while Mazower demonstrates an anti-American bias that I find personally disagreeable, he might just have a point.

One of Hitler's most deeply held beliefs, and one that he shares in common with a lot of people who have more power than ethics, reason, or empathy; is that most people are stupid. (That is why, fellow CT'ers, if you find yourself uttering the word "sheeple", you better take a good hard look in the mirror.) As this is demonstrably not the case, and if one thinks that a stupid population is easier to homogenize and govern, then, like Hitler or Stalin, one would want to do two things:

1. Liquidate the intelligentsia, especially those in a position to teach. And that, all the other soul-blackening horror aside, is one of the most catastrophic accomplishments of the gulags and the death camps- a frontal lobotomy administered to the collective mind.

2. Cripple the institutions associated with educating the public.

Number one can be accomplished with equally disastrous results by draining the best and brightest into dead-end industries like finance or advertising, and devaluing any intellectual pursuit that has no immediate utility to the capitalist paradigm.

Number two? Teach to the test, no child left behind, bust the unions, make higher education a sour bet.

Another thing that makes people easier to govern en masse is a homogenized culture: "Ein Volk" is the only thing that one absolutely requires to implement a one world government- the rest can be accomplished without an overtly centralized rule, and without a cult of personality.

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posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 10:57 PM
If theres any truth to the rumour Mein Kampf (My Struggle) was ghost written by a Jesuit.....The blame gets spread around.....
The whole paperclip total was perhaps a lot larger than 700 ...I have heard figures as high as 20,000
Canada, too, was complicit with the US in this sickening process....
Perhaps far more than the public may know.....rumours of mind control experiments as far back as the 50s
gruesome and as shocking as the holocaust itself.......staffed by ex Nazis....

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 11:15 PM
Interesting reading, thanks for posting. I read through like 95% of it real quick and haven't read any comments yet, but I do have a question if anyone knows. Is there a time frame for when this supposed Aldebaran fleet is supposed to arrive? I have no way of knowing whether this is fact or fiction, but am nonetheless very curious.

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 11:33 PM

Serrano’s views have found credence, and expansion, with some in Germany and Austria. The Tempelhofgesellschaft in Vienna, a Gnostic based Christian movement, teaches that Jesus was not Jewish but Aryan and that according to their source, an Ancient Sumerian manuscript, Aryans came to Atlantis from the star Aldebaran and that this is where the Sumerian language derives.

It is the divine mission of the Aryan people to dominate all other races, and like Serrano, they claim that Antartica holds a secret fleet of UFOs, which will emerge with the arrival of the fleet which is on it’s way from Aldebaran. Then, the Western Imperium will be established.

The Ancient Alien Aryan? Is there much info on that Sumerian manuscript, KT?

It's crazy, but I almost smell a set-up in the making. Not just a handy mythology--a religion even--for those of an Aryan bent.

Could there be a larger organization behind this mythology?

Or is it just the creation of Hitler-worshipping fantasists with a desire to be "right" and "special."

Either way, a dangerous and heady brew to be sure.

And, as we've seen, the whole Nazi Ufo/Antartica thing has taken on a life of its own even outside of Esoteric Hitlerism. As a mythology it has staying power. Many posts on that here, and I'm certain most of them weren't written by Aryan Nation members.

We've all witnessed the explosion in the popularization of the Ancient Astronaut theory. Not that I'm associating the commercialization of the AA with the AAA (Ancient Astronaut Aryan) but I have wondered about the architecture, promotion, timing, and funding of the movement in its most modern cathexis of the last few years.

And now, many are wondering if we're not being set up for a race war as we speak. Maybe something did whisper in Charlie Manson's ear. Creepy.

Not to get all mystical, but I admit to having wondered a time or two if the foo fighters were a materialization of some sort connected with occult fascination & symbology of some in the Nazi hierarchy.

If something that outrageous were true, then the "Cooties" we received through our Paperclip & Gehlen handshakes…might have been an infection on a much deeper level. Crazy I know…

Anyhoo, sorry for getting "out there" with that. I do have quite a few notes on the whole revisionist aspect, too. Very interesting subject in the context of who doesn't want to talk about it and who does.

It's certainly a socially-complex subject. SUPERBLY written and compelling OP. Looking forward to more discussion.

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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 12:11 AM
So Jung agreed to an interview with Serrano, eh?

“Hitler as possessed by the archetype of the collective Aryan unconsciousness...could not help obeying the commands of an inner voice...Hitler is a spiritual vessel, a demi-divinity; even better, a myth...the Messiah of Germany who teaches the virtue of the sword. The voice he hears is the collective unconsciousness of his race.”

Even though Jung did distance himself, later, fairly convincingly, his shared fascination with Eastern Mysticism and his further interest in mythology may have suggested a framework for a personal vision of world rule that might have remained somewhat "Aryan" as a model.

Jung's interest in European mythology and folk psychology has led to accusations of Nazi sympathies, since they shared the same interest.[61][62][63] He became, however, aware of the negative impact of these similarities:

Jung clearly identifies himself with the spirit of German Volkstumsbewegung throughout this period and well into the 1920s and 1930s, until the horrors of Nazism finally compelled him to reframe these neopagan metaphors in a negative light in his 1936 essay on Wotan.[64]

There are writings showing that Jung's sympathies were against, rather than for, Nazism.[c] In his 1936 essay "Wotan", Jung described Germany as "infected" by "one man who is obviously 'possessed' ...", and as "rolling towards perdition",[65] and wrote
... what a so-called Führer does with a mass movement can plainly be seen if we turn our eyes to the north or south of our country."

His rather close friendship and work with CIA adept Allen Dulles is also interesting in light of the subjects addressed here.

In retrospect, Jung himself thought he had slipped up in his dealings with National Socialism and his writings on a Jewish versus an Aryan psychology during the 1930s.

During the second world war, he also worked for the Office of Strategic Services, America's first intelligence agency, having been recruited by Allen Dulles, its Central European representative, who wrote about Jung's “deep antipathy to what Nazism and Fascism stood for”.

Jung's analysis, written in 1945, of how best to get the German population to accept defeat was read by many, including General Eisenhower. Ms Bair sets forth evidence on the various charges against Jung, on the whole coming down in his favour. But the overall picture that emerges is of a paradoxical man, capable of great sensitivity, who appears also to have been a self-centred, irascible bully.

Maybe, just maybe I'm saying, they shared a cootie-induced vision of a Reich…just minus Hitler. An, ahem, One World Order so-to-speak? Certainly fits Dulles quite well, imo, anyway.

Dulles was the one that set up the deal with General Gehlen. And also orchestrated much of the Paperclip shenanigans.

Gehlen had always been under the sponsorship of US Army G-2 (intelligence), but he eventually succeeded in realizing his ambition of establishing an association with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), established in 1947.

The CIA kept close tabs on the Gehlen group. For many years during the Cold War, Org agents were the only eyes and ears of the CIA on the ground in the Soviet Bloc nations.

Every German POW returning from Soviet captivity to West Germany, between 1947 and 1955, was interviewed by Org agents. The Gehlen Org employed hundreds of ex-Nazi members and also had close contacts with East European émigré organizations. Unheralded tasks, such as observation of the operation of Soviet rail systems, airfields and ports were important functions of the Org, as was the infiltration of agents into the Baltic and Ukraine. The Org "Operation Bohemia" was a major counter-espionage success.[13]

The Gehlen Organization was eventually compromised by East Germany, communist moles within itself and by communists and their sympathizers within the CIA and the British SIS (MI6), particularly Kim Philby.

Many modern historians have recently begun making the assertion that Nazi Gen. Gehlen out-manipulated Dulles. Even going as far as to suggest that Gehlen held more power over Dulles than vice-versa.

I can't shake that thought of "infection." A virus evolution, a mutation, that stands ready to break out at some point.

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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 12:24 AM
Neither caring for the Jewish or Aryan agenda, I find it funny(probably more sickening than funny when I really think about it) how a race that is known for being intolerant of other races, and who claims to be superior to all races, has a big sooky lala when the table turns.

The jews were kicked out of many countries for thousands of years, around 400 years ago all jews were kicked out of England due to trying to manipulate the currency(something they seem to love doing up to this day, as the notorious german-jew Rothschild said "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws"). Are we to believe that every single time the jews were attacked/exiled that they had done nothing whatsoever to provoke? I would hate to live in that bubble.

We know that their definitely is more than one example of the jews lying(and/or manipulating) the facts of the matter under Hitler's rule, and we also know that the jews claim to be the chosen race, and are prepared to carry out false flag operations killing innocent people and attempting to frames others(usually muslims these days) with the end goal being that others will fight and die for their cause while they sit back and pull the strings, so you'll have to excuse me and any others who chose to use their brain for not having sympathy for the jews and excuse the context with which I've use the word "jews" here, it's a large generalisation, and we all know that not ALL jews are guilty of these crimes, but I'm just going with the flow of the OP and the use of the word Aryan, so I'm sure it can be overlooked all things considered.
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 03:12 AM
just as the nazi scientists were moved to america, american scientists will be moved to china.

american patriots are the new nazi's.

its all too well orchestrated. the playbook hasnt changed, just the players. the question is...who the hell holds the playbook?

i am not a holocaust denier, although i cant help but contrast the silence of anybody challenged with the questions of holocaust deniers with similar frustrations shared by certain political movements of contemporary america.

its odd to say the least. any other time somebody thinks they are right they usually welcome any type of intellectual intercourse. but with certain subjects its just automatic repetitive dismissal.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 04:07 AM
reply to post by LurkingRelentlessly

I disagree, all assertions made by revisionists have been thoroughly answered, and stand in the public record.

Here's a good point by point, well documented series of rebuttals to the top six revisionist claims:

Irving is the most "respectable" of the lot, but his evidence consists of a very iffy chemical analysis he conducted on site. It gets eviscerated here:
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 04:10 AM
reply to post by KilgoreTrout

I have yet to read through your entire thread.

From what I can tell, you are basically addressing a First Amendment issue.

But its a very touchy one.

Definitely seems interesting. Will read in its entirety when I have time and see if I should reconsider my flag, lol.

Not sure if the following pic is on topic, but it came to mind as I skimmed through your thread:

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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 04:12 AM
reply to post by LurkingRelentlessly

I like your post, I think...

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 04:56 AM
reply to post by gladtobehere

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Is it illegal to discuss revisionism?

No. No one's 1st amendment right is being infringed upon.

However, seeing as so many millions were directly impacted, and how close it came to all being swept under the historical rug; the disgust and outrage provoked by revisionism could be mistaken for a shut-down of an open conversation on the topic.

Revisionists can discuss it all they like, but if they choose to take the debate outside of their own stagnant little circle-jerks, they better be prepared to have their asses handed to them.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 05:29 AM
as far as i can tell the reason why numbers any other detail of the holocaust or any other tragic that more often than not those events are co opted and used by special interests to further an agenda or plan of some sort. No one really cares about objective facts in history....the winners write history.

ive been to the holocaust museum in was a very moving and emotionally exhausting experience. The room with the shoes was particularly bizarre and macabre. Who keeps all these shoes anyway? Who is the steward of all these artifacts from the holocaust? That would be an interesting rabbit hole to go down all by itself.

in any even, i havent read or listened to much revisionist history stuff.....but what i did hear was convincing on the surface. I will check out the site that was suggested refutes the main denier claims.....

but like someone posited earlier....what does it matter if it was 6 million or 2 million? Right...what does it this point its too late for any information to make a difference anyway, any thing that was apt to be exploited by the holocaust would have been done by now.

something else that bothers me about the term 'anti semitic'....has anyone pointed out that its been virtually completely co opted by those who are partial to or in defense of jewish interests....even though jews are not the only semites? i think thats worthy of discussion.. ....after all...if everything is above board and all out in the open here.....why the continued use of this word to only refer to the jews?

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 05:36 AM

Originally posted by instigatah

but like someone posited earlier....what does it matter if it was 6 million or 2 million? Right...what does it this point its too late for any information to make a difference anyway, any thing that was apt to be exploited by the holocaust would have been done by now.

I understand how easy it is to run up against an emotional wall when faced with those numbers, those shoes.

But if those 10 million had voices to tell you, they'd tell you that it does matter, and it always will.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 06:01 AM
i hope i can ask questions here without being labeled a denier. Also....i wondered...are people that dont just tacitly accept the 'official version' and do in fact ask perhaps many detailed and pointed questions....are THEY automatically assumed to be deniers? Im probably not the only one that notices a very thin skin on the part of some when questions are asked....i mean its not like many of us here have any personal intimate experience with this thing anyway to take it so personally. I even have family with jewish ancestry.....but that doesnt influence my inquisitiveness about what often appears to be a slanted bias in favor of anything jewish and a slighting or demonising of anyone or anything that calls into question official information on the subject.

has anyone done any hard analysis on the logistical requirements involved in running the gas chambers alone? Ive been going over the ADL website that was linked to.....the diesel generators for example that were used at one site, how much diesel would have been required....and we know what kinds of gas were used and in what amounts? There are supply chain issues which i would assume by now to have been all tidily button up, zipped up, and gift wrapped to perfection.

the figures for the jewish dead from each country.....why are those numbers rounded to the nearest thousand? If the records are so exquisite and reliably, could we not by now, some 70 years later have almost EXACT numbers of the dead?

those are just a couple of my musings as i pour over the ADL website....and im pretty sure i could find many many more.....but i honestly get the feeling that people who are sensitive to the issue being questioned really dont want some nitpicker coming along and finding fault with the manner in which some of the information is given.....and that bothers me.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 07:41 AM
My understanding of holocaust as psy op started from reviewing certain parts of the Nuremburg trials...the actual table totaling 6 million with the death camps contribution of each, then seeing if the evidence supported the numbers. Bergan Belsen was attributed 750,000. could not have happened, not enough room in the pits to contain the dead, not enough room and time to process the shearing of the locks for the mattresses of germans, etc etc. not enough fuel to burn the bodies, no capability gas that many in the method described, etc. The testimony of one Bomba, a barber, becomes suspect because he cannot keep his story straight...but is a hero in Israel. the testimony in the trials is suspect when you see that the judge is directing the testimony. no germans that were there allowed to testify, and witnesses that would make to extravagant claims would be shushed.

You can scream anti semitism all day and night, these facts cannot change.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 07:47 AM
reply to post by instigatah

Why are you picking a fight about the "anti-semite" term? Who are these other semitic tribes? What's their religion? What's their history? You seem to give a crap, but I bet it's because you've had the term aimed your way in conversations like these. So you attempt to strip the term of its meaning rather than look at why you might merit it.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 07:53 AM
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As if Bergen Belsen was the only camp, and as if everyone who perished was processed through the chambers. Disease, starvation, etc. claimed millions, and the crematoria was certainly up to the task of burning the evidence.

Every victim went on the record, and that's the only upshot of bureaucracy gone rabid- all the madness is well documented.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Eidolon23
I had an instructor once, who was of Polish extraction, and had lost several relatives to the death camps. He was lecturing us on the dangers inherent in a bureaucratic structure; where all functions are compartmentalized, and responsibility is diffused.

He had two major points, and would go red in the face explaining them:

1. A Hitler-centric view of the holocaust misses the larger truth: it required millions of complicit citizens to kill millions of innocents. And how few of those responsible ever felt the burden of their role in the perpetration of an unfathomably evil act.

2. The figure isn't six million dead, it is twelve million. The mass hatred spread to any group identified as "Other".

The breakdown of the economy was caused by the austerity measures caused by the war reparations that had be to paid in compensation for World War I, which in turn was funded by international bankers and the settlements decided by international bankers. Everyone became fed up of being in debt.
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 08:12 AM
an additional question/observation:

the word holocaust has more than one meaning...and apparently the hebrew word 'shoah' refers to a 'burnt offering' Thats a rather odd choice of a word to refer to the horrific loss of life isnt it? To call it in effect 'a burnt offering' ? Can anyone comment why the jewish community would choose such a word that refers to a burn offering to God?

also.....regarding the ovens. Again, logistically how would they have accomplished burning the amount of bodies that are said to have been cremated. Its my understanding that fully cremating a body down to almost nothing but ashes is a pretty involved process even by todays standards, up to 3 hours to reduce the body to ashes....and even then there are bone fragments left.

im currently reading through some sites that talk how it could have been done....but i still have to ask....what happened to all the ashes? what happened to the invariable bone fragments...which at the number of people cremated would have been literally TONS of bone fragments. With the desire to cremate as many jews as possible there almost certainly would be no fine grinding of the bone fragments into powder as they currently do nowadays.

Also...with jews having a religious principle against cremating i would think they would want to round up as many bone fragments as were we know if in fact they did that, and if not why not?

currently reading thru this site about how it could have been done.
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 08:14 AM

Originally posted by stormcell

The breakdown of the economy was caused by the austerity measures caused by the war reparations that had be to paid in compensation for World War I, which in turn was funded by international bankers and the settlements decided by international bankers. Everyone became fed up of being in debt.

Those things are all true.

Further: the mass-psychosis that displaced all of that disenfranchised rage onto one group was not limited to Germany. A poll taken in the 30's in America reported that a majority thought that Jews should have their own country- not because they wanted the Jews to be happy, but because they didn't want them to mingle with American Christians.

Hell, they sent American delegations of Jews over to examine the work camps, and they came back with a big, "Thumbs up, everyone's happy!"

Of course the prisoners appeared happy, they all had guns to their heads.

What's the take-away lesson here? Don't punish the losers. You win the war and then you do everything within your power to restore financial and economic equilibrium.

Secondarily, a debt-based economy is a powder keg just waiting for the first yahoo with a match.

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