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What about the hadiths that say that this was asked by the Prophet for the ease of his Ummah(muslim community) as they had varied dialects/pronounciations and used different synonymous words depending on the dialects/area/tribe?
Regarding 7 Ahruf
I've already spent several posts and replies earlier in this thread debunking the false claim that today's "7 Qira'at" are the same as Muhammad's "7 Ahruf".
I do not enjoy repeating myself or having the same debate over-and-over due to my opponents inability to acknowledge valid points,.... so for simplicity's sake,.....
• If Muhammad's "7 Ahruf" are the same as today's "7 Qira'at", then explain why there are actually MORE than 7 Qira'at.
There are actually 10 accepted Qira'at,... with each Qira'at containing two separate transmitters. This means there are 20 Qira'at. There are also several more Qira'at that are rejected by the majority.
"7 Ahruf" that Muhammad approved of ARE NOT the "7 Qira'at (20+ Qira'at)" of today.
edit on 9/9/13 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)
I think Muhammad was just smart enough to understand how gullible and easily fooled the people of the mid east would be, and he was right, because they are still philosophically retarded to this day, and have never made any progress in thousands of years. They are still killing each other over there in a large fashion and they think God condones their behavior.. The Qur'an is nothing but toilet paper.
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
I think if you look into the dead sea scrolls and compare them to todays bible you may be surprised ...We have todays version transmitted over 2000 years so we have a good sample and the dead sea scrolls ...peace
do you mean we have many Korans ?
• Naskh al-hukm wa'l-tilawa (Words Removed, Ruling Abandoned): The verse and ruling are removed and annihilated from the Qur’an and Islam altogether.
• Naskh al-tilawa duna al-hukm (Words Removed, Ruling Stay): The verse is removed from the Qur’an, but it’s ruling is still followed.
Koran itself speaks of one Koran not many Korans.
but Koran should be one. we can not have many Korans. Koran itself says this.
The version of the text is generally in agreement with the Masoretic or traditional version codified in medieval codices, such as the Aleppo Codex, but it contains many variant readings, alternative spellings, scribal errors, and corrections.
reply to post by logical7
When you first mentioned the "7 Qira'at" earlier in the thread, you actually claimed that they were the same thing as the "7 Ahruf". Now you are beginning to differentiate the two. I applaud you brother for denying ignorance!
I do not know what you are asking of me, because we have already discussed these points in full. Please be a bit more specific, because I do not wish to start the entire discussion over again. What exactly is your point regarding the "7 Ahruf" approved of by Muhammad, versus today's 20+ Qira'at? First you claimed they were the same thing, now you realize they are different concepts. What's your point now?
edit on 9/10/13 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)
reply to post by logical7
Yes i watched the video and in it he admits there were significant differences. Which would mean that these 7 versions of the Koran cant be directly from god if we allow for interpretation depending on tribe or dialect. So which is it is the Koran an interpretation of gods message or is it the actually words given to the profit Mohammad from god himself? As i stated you cant have it both ways so which is it?