reply to post by Sahabi
Regarding the superiority of the recitations of Ubay ibn Ka'b and Abdullah ibn Masu'd above the recitation of Zaid ibn Thabit; I presented 7
authentic ahadith from Sahih al-Bukhari,... 1 authentic hadith from Sahih Muslim,... 1 authentic hadith from Mustadrak al-Haakim,... 1 hadith from
Siyar aa’laam an-Nubalaa,... 1 tafsir commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali,... and an excerpt from Al Itqan fi `ulum al Qur'an. You presented ZERO
sources, yet I am the one speaking falsities and half- truths?
because your narrative only looks good when its seen from an angle that you want everyone to see. As soon as few common sense questions are asked it
does not stand any long.
You are having an idea that more hadiths being presented means you win the point? Really?
Maybe you are deliberately ignoring it when i say that these hadiths do not directly support your claim. You are using them and interpreting them in a
selective way so as to support your narrative.
Lets see if i can help you notice the gaping faults in your narrative.
The men went to the Prophet and said,
"O Prophet of Allah, this child of ours
knows by heart 17 chapters from the
Book, and recites them accurately as
they were revealed to you. Besides, he
is well versed in the matters of reading and writing. He wishes to be close to
you. Listen to him, if you will." The Prophet Muhammad listened to
Zayd's recitation, which he found very
clear and accurate, revealing that
teenager's special linguistic talents. So
he ordered him to learn Hebrew in
order to facilitate the Prophet's communication with the Jews. Later, Zayd ibn Thabit learnt Syriac,
thus becoming an official interpreter
and translator for the Prophet
Muhammad (peace and blessings of
Allah be upon him). Eventually, our
young hero became one of the official scribes of the Prophet (peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him) who
was called to write the Divine
revelations that came to the Prophet
from Heaven. This enabled the intelligent Zayd to
observe the circumstances of the
revelations very closely, to become,
later, the most important reference in
Qur'anic matters after the death of
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). His deep knowledge of the Qur'an
made even the great companions of
the Prophet resort to him and show
special respect to him, despite the fact
that he was much younger than most
of them (being only 22 at the death of Prophet Muhammad). History tells us that `Abdullah ibn
`Abbas (may Allah be pleased with
him, who is very well known for his
knowledge of matters of the faith,
once saw Zayd ibn Thabit about to
mount his ride. He went up to help him. Zayd said (out of respect to ibn
`Abbas), "Do not bother, O cousin of
the Messenger of Allah." Ibn `Abbas
said, "Thus have we been instructed to
treat our scholars." It is no wonder then that during and
after the Battle of Yamamah in the days
of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, Zayd was
the man chosen for the task of
compiling the Qur'an in a book form,
aided by `Umar ibn Al-Khattab.
During the Battle of Yamamah when a
large number of the companions of
the Prophet (peace and blessings of
Allah be upon him) who knew the
Qur'an by heart were killed, `Umar ibn
Al-Khattab expressed his great worry that some verses of the Qur'an known
to some companions might be
forgotten due to the death of those
companions. So he suggested to Abu
Bakr to have the Qur'an collected and
compiled. Abu Bakr was hesitant in the
beginning, because as he said, "This is
something not done by the Prophet."
However, he was later convinced of
the necessity of the matter, because in
the lifetime of the Prophet there was no need for such an action, since the
source and conveyor of the revelation
was living amongst them. His Assignment The Caliph found that Zayd ibn Thabit
was the man for the job. Thus he
addressed Zayd (may Allah be pleased
with him): "You are a young man who
is wise and trustworthy. And you used
to write the revelation for the Prophet, collect the Qur'an and compile it." Zayd reports, "I swear to God that had
they asked me to move a mountain, it
would have been easier than that task
assigned to me." Upon the compilation of the whole
Book, it was kept with the Caliph Abu
Bakr, then his successor `Umar, who
entrusted it upon his death to his
daughter Hafsah, a wife of Prophet
Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), who was also
known for her knowledge of the
Qur'an besides being one of the few
literate people in the community.
It was Umar r.a who expressed the need to compile the Qur'an and Abu Bakr r,a agreed and then gave the task to Zaid ibn Thabit r.a and Umar r.a was
around when this was being done right?
You yourself have have admitted that ibn Masud and Ubay ibn Kab were praised for their "recitation" while Zaid was the best "scribe"
so who should get the task to "write" a full copy? Reciters or the best scribe?
Also the companions on whose shoulders you are resting your claim had no problem with Zaid being given the task. They happily helped him and the aim
of all of them was to compile the accurate Qur'an.
The variant reading of some verses that you pointed are also known and you again are the one who have accepted that there are 7 modes(ahruf) to recite
During the last year of the Prophet the Qur'an was revised with Jibrael twice in only one of the ahruf and that has been accepted as the standard.
If Ubay ibn Ka'b had a variant read of a verse. He is not lying or wrong. There were 7 variants taught by the Prophet himself to different companions
and they understood that any of it was fine. he however did not claim that the standardized Qur'an has an error, he just sticked to his own personal
variation that he learnt from the Prophet.
You are claiming that Qur'an is corrupt because its written in one of the 7 modes and some companions continued to recite it in another mode?
You also try to continuously deflect a simple question,
"if the companions knew that Qur'an has any error/s, would they just shut up? When they all were ready to happily die for Islam?"
nobody claimed that ever and all muslims unanimously accepted the Qur'an.
Only when Islam came into contact with the western world, the orientalists took it as a challenge to discredit Qur'an and recently the hate mongering
anti-islamic sites and are trying to do the same and your narrative matches a lot with what is on these sites.
If anyone really wants to know the truth, try finding it using common sense and logic. Not knowledgeable appearing mumble jumble which nobody has time
to verify or understand the subject fully without dedicating years of study.