Russian research project: immortality to billionaires - transplanting brains into Robots

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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:20 PM
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The fact the technology and understanding is not (and will not be in ten years)there to put a human brain in a robot and label it immortality/life.
Your new argument that everyone is different physically& psychologically I do not disagree but I see similarity where you see differences. Rich people are born, live and die is exactly the same as any other human being.
The rich cannot make a scientist cure dementia of their family member with all the money when their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it .
Your point was that those with money( have not got the knowledge nor have the best scientists in the globe)and can't yet make their brains not age or immortal or solve any simple problems in the world?

A billionaire (corporation) has already technically put money into curing dementia in the last twenty years hasn't actually achieved it with the "right people". Why do you think money is the solution to the worlds problems.

You say now you believe it because money talks to you, period. Its not a good reason to believe.
Incomplete scientific knowledge without the know how but just because the idea is from money man whom wants to make more money you believe. Buy much stock in Enron ?
What good has Cern done for humanity?
The experts cannot place human consciousness/life in a robot they can't even define it without disagreeing.

Why look at the soldiers with missing arms/legs who have mechanical limbs. It's not the same and the technology to take a brain out of a body and make it immortal in a robot is not a case of replacing a leg with a prostheses or a hearing aid.
This concept is not that to be comparing it to a hearing aid or an electric car.
Neither are people with artificial hearts, on resperators, kidney dialysis, and even in comas they are not an example of taking a brain out of a body they are with their brain not removed.

An incomplete part of an organism (a brain) does not contain YOU. I did not say even if medical science could remove my body's brain that I would be remain conscious. There no paradox and they can't do that so its hypothetical they can't even treat brain aging! Do you know how much money was spent in the decade of the brain staggering amounts with "the right" specialists and no results.
They have not already switched off genes to allow 500-800+ life spans.
Its just science hype and is not true as they can't do it in action its just and idea and desire.
Check out the fact lifespans are decreasing in america.

It was not inevitable in our evolution as a species to start modifying genes to make changes in the bodies, why are diseases on the rise if you think its in our evolution to eradicate all disease by gene modification?
That the world's first genetically modified babies are born has nothing to do with immortal human brains and putting them in robots for eternity.We don't even know if the GM babies will be OK.
Simple slicing and dicing of existing genes has been going on for ages, with a decrease in positive health outcomes in the world and no cures for any genetic problems . They can't switch on and off human genes yet.

You think you know where we are heading but you do not know. Its clear from the post that you think medically things that haven't been can be done and you think corporations have not taken billions of taxpayer money to find cures.
Don't believe the HYpe.




posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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The fact the technology and understanding is not (and will not be in ten years)there to put a human brain in a robot and label it immortality/life.

Listen, you are just average joe saying it won't happen this way. However, if I research the smartest eople in the world, with high IQ's, scientists, PHd's, people with extensive knoweldge in various fields, the majority of them will agree, and already do agree if you check on the net, that we are heading into consciousness transfer tech.

If you want to go deeper into it and bring religion into the picture, monks/mystics/hermits across various religions throughout history have reported the abilit of Consciousness to leave/re-enter the body and enter into rocks, tree's, water, earth, etc. IF it's tru they were able to do it, eventually science will catch up and figure out how.


Your new argument that everyone is different physically& psychologically I do not disagree but I see similarity where you see differences. Rich people are born, live and die is exactly the same as any other human being.

yes, its true, everyone dies. Many don't want to. Especially rich & young.



The rich cannot make a scientist cure dementia of their family member with all the money when their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it . Your point was that those with money( have not got the knowledge nor have the best scientists in the globe)and can't yet make their brains not age or immortal or solve any simple problems in the world?



The rich cannot make a scientist cure dementia of their family member with all the money when their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it . Your point was that those with money( have not got the knowledge nor have the best scientists in the globe)and can't yet make their brains not age or immortal or solve any simple problems in the world?

My point is Michael J. Fox has Alzheimers. So he donates millions of his own money for a cure and does fundraisers. A billionaire with uncurable cancer, can technically hire the 10 best researchers of cancer, put them all in a room full time, and pay them to buy him time and possibly figure out how to cure him. It may even happen that way one day.

Look at Magic Johnson w AIDS. Still going


A billionaire (corporation) has already technically put money into curing dementia in the last twenty years hasn't actually achieved it with the "right people". Why do you think money is the solution to the worlds problems.

Compartmentalization. The way Cancer will be cured, is by gathering geneticists, cancer specialists, PH blood specialists, all the people that are specialists in separate, but related fields, and that's how you crack the code. They are already predicating cancer being eradicated by 2100, and HIV by 2050. It's a matter of time. Just like science figure out how to cure scurvy, with Vit C, so to will they crack cancer and aging


You say now you believe it because money talks to you, period. Its not a good reason to believe. Incomplete scientific knowledge without the know how but just because the idea is from money man whom wants to make more money you believe. Buy much stock in Enron ?

Keyword: "Incomplete" scientific knowledge. BEcause we dont yet know what all the genes do. Enter a billionar who donates a billion to invest in super computers to speed up the process so we do have "Complete" scientific knowledge" about a certain topic. Money changes everything



The experts cannot place human consciousness/life in a robot they can't even define it without disagreeing.

they will eventually. WHen the first cars were being made, there were also disagreements. Eventually it worked itself out. Competition also evolves desgin and engineering as well


An incomplete part of an organism (a brain) does not contain YOU. I did not say even if medical science could remove my body's brain that I would be remain conscious. There no paradox and they can't do that so its hypothetical they can't even treat brain aging!

In time they'll figure it out. If consciousness does exist, which I believe it does, then there is a specific way it interacts with the body. A design or methodology. So eventually they will crack that code and figure it out.

Everything can be figured out eventually, just takes time, super-computing, and they right combo of people.

Disease free, 500+ year life spans, trasnfer to new cloned or robot bodies....all the experts are saying its inevitable.

And here you are , just an average joe saying no.....No one can hear you over the noise being made in laboratories around the world working on these things



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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It makes no difference to me if you call me "an average joe" but I guess that you think its an insult.

Even if you decide to research the smartest people in the world, with high IQ's, scientists, PHd's, people with extensive knoweldge in various fields, the majority of them will agree, that they cannot cure diseases of the brain, stop dementia, or switch genes on and off in humans.
Some would also tell you the average life span in the USA is declining and diseases are increasing at an alarming rate and they have no cures.
Researching it you would find a lack of ability to even cure brain cancer let alone make a brain outside a body immortal. You would find this noise and arrogance coupled with the desire to be immortal.
The rich cannot make a scientist cure dementia of their family member with all the money when their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it .
My point too is Michael J. Fox has dementia and all that money he( and other wealthy people) spent he and others still have it and there is no cure. You are just making points that support what I said.Money is not a cure.
A billionaire (corporation) has already technically put money into curing dementia in the last twenty years hasn't actually achieved it even with the "right people". Why do you think money is the solution to the worlds problems.

Compartmentalization: the way brain cancer hasn't been be cured.
Why don't you just wait till medicine and science can support a Rich Russian money man in his sales pitch.
It can't now but you do not need evidence.
You say now you believe it because money talks to you, period. Its not a good reason to believe. Incomplete scientific knowledge without the know how. Did you buy much stock in Enron (Big rich man tell me and I believe)?.
Keyword: "Incomplete" scientific knowledge.Because they don't even know what all the genes do.

The "experts" cannot place human consciousness/life in a robot they can't even define it without disagreeing.
Lets just talk when/if they FIRST figured out simpler things like cures for brain cancer, brain illness, mental health issues and dementia. Basics first before I am even vaguely amused with the stupid idea of a human brain in a robot and selling it as immortality.
What is consciousness ?Shouldn't they know what they are talking about transferring FIRST.
Do you think it is a disconnected human brain, then you would be wrong as your compartmentalized "expert gods" do not define it as such.

Its a lot of NOISE being made in laboratories around the world working but failing to provide cures watching more and more human brains fall to cancer, strokes and dementia.
They are hyped up and want to impress people with their new ideas to keep the money flowing and the public at their feet in worship.
Either stay with the money idea(we have already spent billions with no cures) or keep saying you have faith in the people who can't cure the basic brain problems but say( without supporting evidence ) they can take a human brain put it in a robot this is suppose to be "immortality".

OH DEAR.



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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Even if you decide to research the smartest people in the world, with high IQ's, scientists, PHd's, people with extensive knoweldge in various fields, the majority of them will agree, that they cannot cure diseases of the brain, stop dementia, or switch genes on and off in humans.

theyll tell they are very close. Next 20-50 years should do it. Just recently they figured out how to reverse down-syndrome by gene modiification in the womb. Genes are already being switched on and off. Read the news much?


Some would also tell you the average life span in the USA is declining and diseases are increasing at an alarming rate and they have no cures.

Disease comes and goes. Used to be black plague, mutant flu's, scurvy, etc. All that is gone now or we have meds for it. Life span may be decreasing in US, but it is increasing in Danish countries, japan, iceland, etc.


Researching it you would find a lack of ability to even cure brain cancer let alone make a brain outside a body immortal. You would find this noise and arrogance coupled with the desire to be immortal.

IF it can be done, they'll figure it out. You sound like a person from the 1800's saying cars are not possible, only horse & carriage.


The rich cannot make a scientist cure dementia of their family member with all the money when their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it .

Maybe not now, but perhaps next 20-50 years

Your not getting/understanding how close we are to redesigning out entire immune systems. Alligators, for example, have super immune systems capable of destroying HIV/Cancer on cotact. Soon they'll be able to genetically modify cancer/hiv free humans. Its all over the news and first gmo babies already born!!!!

UCSB research points to a potential therapeutic approach to Alzheimer's disease
So with the above link, if I had billions and Alzheimer's, I'd be over at USBC that day with 500 million to donate for further research. We are close!!!!

You want to know how it's all going to be figured out? Like this:
How a Supercomputer May Have Finally Unlocked a Way to Beat HIV
They used super computers to figure out, and unlock, a disease which human minds were in capable of. So once A.I. comes, connect it to super computers and put it to work on all disease causes & cures. That's the future.


A billionaire (corporation) has already technically put money into curing dementia in the last twenty years hasn't actually achieved it even with the "right people". Why do you think money is the solution to the worlds problems. Compartmentalization: the way brain cancer hasn't been be cured.

Go look at Susan G. Koman Breast Cancer foundation for a cure, which was getting all these donations, and large portion was going to the people in charge of the foundation, instead of research. Those mEga corps may finally figure out cures with AI super computing, or start modifying all babies to be resistant to dementia from the get go. Many old folks never get it


Lets just talk when/if they FIRST figured out simpler things like cures for brain cancer, brain illness, mental health issues and dementia. Basics first before I am even vaguely amused with the stupid idea of a human brain in a robot and selling it as immortality.

IF people are allowed to clone themselves, and transfer consciousness into the new young body, that's a way yo avoid disease/aging as well.



What is consciousness ?Shouldn't they know what they are talking about transferring FIRST. Do you think it is a disconnected human brain, then you would be wrong as your compartmentalized "expert gods" do not define it as such.

No one knows YET. Not even you. They'll figure it out. I personally remember pre-existing prior to entering a body to be "born.' Which means there are mechanisms behind how consciousness attaches to a body. Which means its a matter of time before all that is figured out

We are all already robots. When the shell dies, we leave the shell and re-enter new ones to be born again. It already is that way. And you think its impossible that science figures out how this works and controls it, not realizing that you yourself are already a biological robot... Oh dear, the oxymorons are sky high with this one



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 04:20 PM
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Even if you decide to research the smartest people in the world, with high IQ's, scientists, PHd's, people with extensive knoweldge in various fields, the majority of them will agree, that they cannot cure diseases of the brain, stop dementia, or switch genes on and off in humans.
They may tell they are very close.
They may tell you they figured out how to reverse down-syndrome by gene modification in the womb but yet have not been able to do it in practice on human beings.
Human genes are not successfully being switched on and off by scientists in human beings. They may even lie for more funding.


Disease come we have no cures.
Life span are decreasing in the USA and Russia.
Researching it you would find a lack of ability to even cure brain cancer let alone make a brain outside a body immortal. You would find this noise and arrogance coupled with the desire to be immortal.

The rich cannot make a scientist cure dementia of their family member with all the money when their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it .

Your faith in the constant noise of cures and other news hype is worship in modern science and money. Alligator immunity to aids has nothing to do with it except to point out the noise, everything that they discover is sold to the public as a potential cure. Yet none have come and yet you believe everything from them and continue to have religious faith in money and “experts” .They have been talking about having a cure for ages and still every time they talk about another potential cure you sit up and believe them.
“Aids”, cancer, dementia, alzheimer's NO CURE. You are just talking the same smack you heard in the news. And NO I don’t believe everything in the news like you.

Why don’t you wait until supercomputers have cured something before you celebrate them.

A billionaire (corporation) has already technically put money into curing dementia in the last twenty years hasn't actually achieved it even with the "right people". Why do you think money is the solution to the worlds problems. Compartmentalization: the way brain cancer hasn't been be cured.
Breast cancer :NO CURE.

Lets just talk when/if they FIRST figured out simpler things like cures for brain cancer, brain illness, mental health issues and dementia. Basics first before I am even vaguely amused with the stupid idea of a human brain in a robot and selling it as immortality.

What is consciousness ?They(and you) are talking about transferring something they do not even know about!
Shouldn't they know what they are talking about transferring FIRST. Do you think it is a disconnected human brain, then you would be wrong as your compartmentalized "expert gods" do not define it as such.

If you are now saying “We are all already robots. When the shell dies, we leave the shell and re-enter new ones to be born again. “
I am already immortal and the way I am designed I do not have to suffer eternal senility.
Perfect.




posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 11:53 PM
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Even if you decide to research the smartest people in the world, with high IQ's, scientists, PHd's, people with extensive knoweldge in various fields, the majority of them will agree, that they cannot cure diseases of the brain, stop dementia, or switch genes on and off in humans. They may tell they are very close. They may tell you they figured out how to reverse down-syndrome by gene modification in the womb but yet have not been able to do it in practice on human beings. Human genes are not successfully being switched on and off by scientists in human beings. They may even lie for more funding.

seriously, are you like 12? go do the research and it's scientific fact that genes have been modified in humans. The Berlin patient cured of HIV had modified immune cells inserted into his bone marrow and is now cured!!! First time ever!!! Its like you still believe in flat earth or something!!!!


Disease come we have no cures.

It comes, we figure it out, cure it. We can cure leprosy, bubonic plague, and much much more. Did you just crawl out of cave from the 1700's???


Life span are decreasing in the USA and Russia.

Not for the rich and upper middle class


Researching it you would find a lack of ability to even cure brain cancer let alone make a brain outside a body immortal. You would find this noise and arrogance coupled with the desire to be immortal.

Just like they said there would be no such thing as cars back in the late 1800's. Yeah, Hmmmm, how did that work out for the naysayers. I'd bet you a million bucks they can do it, because thats all we are, is robots with brains in them, and consciousness interfaces with the brain.


The rich cannot make a scientist cure dementia of their family member with all the money when their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it .

All they have to do, is flip one molecular switch that increases lifespan to 500. They already know where it is and how to do it. Not only that, with consciousness transfer tech coming soon, who cares if you get dementia, they can just transfer you to a new clone or robot body.


Your faith in the constant noise of cures and other news hype is worship in modern science and money.

I dont worship it. I'm playing the devils advocate here. I do now this is coming. I saw this in dreams and visions as a kid watching G.I. joe. Transformers featured "The spark of life" (i.e. consciousness) being inserted into robots. The guy who wrote that was a genius cause we are heading to that inevitably. You just dont see it on the flat earth.


“Aids”, cancer, dementia, alzheimer's NO CURE.

Aids is already cured in 3 people. BErlin patient is number 1, and 2 people at Boston Hospital also got stem cell transplants, stopped taking their meds, and are good to go. Flat earth buddy. It's not 1700's anymore


Why don’t you wait until supercomputers have cured something before you celebrate them.

People will cure, super computers can only pinpoint weaknesses and strategies. Hypocritical that you are using, basically, a super computer yourself to knock down super computer. Your arguments have more holes than swiss cheese.


A billionaire (corporation) has already technically put money into curing dementia in the last twenty years hasn't actually achieved it even with the "right people". Why do you think money is the solution to the worlds problems. Compartmentalization: the way brain cancer hasn't been be cured. Breast cancer :NO CURE.

I know a few women who cured themselves from breast cancer by self administering chaga, DCA, and apricot seeds. But you know, to science its not a double blind control group study, so to them its impossible, and yet I can get the mri scans to show before and after. But hey, your stuck in 1700's so to you, everything is science fiction


Lets just talk when/if they FIRST figured out simpler things like cures for brain cancer, brain illness, mental health issues and dementia. Basics first before I am even vaguely amused with the stupid idea of a human brain in a robot and selling it as immortality.

think outside the box!!! the cure can be modified cloned bodies w/ consciousness transfer tech. Just as a rich dude gets dimentia, boom he transfers consciousness into a clone(that doesnt have any health problems) problem solved



If you are now saying “We are all already robots. When the shell dies, we leave the shell and re-enter new ones to be born again. “ I am already immortal and the way I am designed I do not have to suffer eternal senility. Perfect.

Obviously, you're alive, already a flesh robot, had to be born again here, and by the looks of your post, are already undergoing senility. You'll be back again & again, still luv ya tho
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 01:33 AM
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They may not transplant brains into robots anytime soon (or at all) and/or attain immortally, but the tech to connect the brain to devices outside the body is already here in its beginning stages.

There's so much out there.

You can throw out most of the overoptimistic futurist predictions. They're wrong most of the time and they easily miss huge things. But... the future will still surprise us.

There'll be no singularity. There'll be nobody living forever. All basic stuff, BUT...

Put yoru seat belt on. Think twice before even entering the vehicle...
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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 11:35 PM
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Very mature resorting to insults.

You don't like the fact the Berlin patient was not cured of HIV - which is a scientific fact?
In 2012 at a presentation at the International Workshop on HIV & Hepatitis Virus last week in Spain suggested that Berlin patient that had previously had chemo, stem cells & antivirals still has HIV genes in his body and the virus is also still hiding in reservoirs of his central nervous system. Still has HIV cells not cured.
So he is not cured and there is not cure for HIV or AIDS.

Again its a case of egotistical "experts" tooting their own horns prematurely.
They cant "just flip one molecular switch that increases lifespan to 500". They CAN"T and they haven't.
Did you know when you said we don't have the plague anymore that in 2012 about 200 people died of the bubonic plague? Guess not.


It doesn't make it better that you believe the Russian money man only because you "imagined this as a child in dreams and visions as a kid watching G.I. joe. "
Though it explains a lot.


“Aids”, cancer, dementia, alzheimer's NO CURE.
Scientific and medical FACT : Aids is not already cured in 3 people, HIV is not been cured by stem cells in anyone, and you are confusing HIV with AIDS.The famous Berlin patient you sited for stem cell transplant still has HIV ( and he never had Aids).

A billionaire (corporation) has already technically put money into curing dementia in the last twenty years hasn't actually achieved it even with the "right people". Why do you think money is the solution to the worlds problems. Compartmentalization: the way brain cancer hasn't been be cured. Breast cancer :NO CURE.
Life span are decreasing in the USA and Russia.

Lets just talk when/if they FIRST figured out simpler things like cures for brain cancer, brain illness,HIV, AIDS,bubonic plague, mental health issues and dementia. Basics first before I am even vaguely amused with this stupid GI joe idea/imagining of a human brain in a robot and selling it as immortality.

I love you too GI joe.






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