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North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) on Monday signed into law one of the nation’s most wide-ranging Voter ID laws.
The move is likely to touch off a major court battle over voting rights, and the Justice Department is weighing a challenge to the new law.
The measure requires voters to present government-issued photo identification at the polls and shortens the early voting period from 17 to 10 days. It will also end pre-registration for 16- and 17-year-old voters who will be 18 on Election Day and eliminates same-day voter registration.
Originally posted by rockintitz
I understand wanting to curb voter fraud, but what's the deal with not allowing people who will be 18 by Election Day to pre-register. If that were in effect in my state wouldn't have been able to vote in '08.
Originally posted by LuckyLucian
reply to post by rockintitz
Well, it's not about voter fraud. It's about reducing the electorate. Trimming the poor, the youth, and minorities in an effort to win elections. The electorate is changing so the only way to win is to change the rules and make it more difficult to vote. Unless these forms of ID are free, which they aren't in Illinois, in this context they essentially become a poll tax which is unconstitutional per the 24th Amendment regarding federal elections.
These claims of wide spread voter fraud are always political posturing, and always turn out to be false. It's frankly quite tiresome. I don't remember who did the study, but they spent 5 years investigating fraud claims and found over 5 years around 50 incidences of legitimate fraud. Practically every other claim was someone going to the wrong polling place, or someone didn't understand how to use their voting machine, whether it was electronic or "hanging chads", or whatever else.
Originally posted by Junkheap
reply to post by mikell
Do I need to tell you the story yet again, how my friend misplaced her driver's license and went to the Social Security office to get a social security card so she could get voter ID and replacement driver's license but the desk person at the Social Security office wouldn't even see her because she didn't have her driver's license even though she still had the ID required to get a replacement Social Security Card?edit on 12-8-2013 by Junkheap because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LuckyLucian
reply to post by rockintitz
Well, it's not about voter fraud. It's about reducing the electorate. Trimming the poor, the youth, and minorities in an effort to win elections. The electorate is changing so the only way to win is to change the rules and make it more difficult to vote. Unless these forms of ID are free, which they aren't in Illinois, in this context they essentially become a poll tax which is unconstitutional per the 24th Amendment regarding federal elections.
These claims of wide spread voter fraud are always political posturing, and always turn out to be false. It's frankly quite tiresome. I don't remember who did the study, but they spent 5 years investigating fraud claims and found over 5 years around 50 incidences of legitimate fraud. Practically every other claim was someone going to the wrong polling place, or someone didn't understand how to use their voting machine, whether it was electronic or "hanging chads", or whatever else.
Originally posted by xuenchen
Originally posted by Junkheap
reply to post by mikell
Do I need to tell you the story yet again, how my friend misplaced her driver's license and went to the Social Security office to get a social security card so she could get voter ID and replacement driver's license but the desk person at the Social Security office wouldn't even see her because she didn't have her driver's license even though she still had the ID required to get a replacement Social Security Card?edit on 12-8-2013 by Junkheap because: (no reason given)
Hmmm.
How did she get her first driver's license ?
Documents Required to Obtain A Missouri Driver or Nondriver License or Instruction Permit
Documents Required to Apply for or Renew a Missouri Driver License, Nondriver License, or Instruction Permit
Applicants must present one or more documents in each of the following categories. Additional documents may be required.
NAME, DATE OF BIRTH, PLACE OF BIRTH (U.S. Citizen)
U.S. Birth Certificate - certified with an embossed, stamped or raised seal issued by a state or local government. (Hospital-issued birth certificates are not acceptable.)
U.S. Passport (valid or expired)
Certificate of Citizenship, Naturalization, or Birth Abroad
U.S. Military Identification Card or Discharge Papers - Military document must be accompanied by a copy of U.S. Birth Certificate issued by a state or local government.
If you were born in Missouri and need to obtain a certified copy of your birth certificate, you may contact the Missouri Department of Health & Senior Services for assistance.
NAME, DATE OF BIRTH, PLACE OF BIRTH (Non-U.S. Citizen)
Non-U.S. citizens should examine the complete listing of acceptable documents for proof of name, date of birth, and place of birth.
SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER (ALL Applicants)
Provide your Social Security Number (verbally, or by presenting your Social Security card); or
If a Social Security Number has not been assigned, the applicant must present a letter from the Social Security Administration (SSA) regarding the status of the applicant's Social Security Number.