An American Dictator

Originally posted by TheBigD
Conceivably Bush is a dictator in a democratic country considering the Congress will pass anything he wants because it is comprised of a majority of Republicans. He does not give any consideration to Democrats thoughts on anything at all, so how is he not a dictator?

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Don't forget the shadow people around him

Ok, haha, so let me get this straight. Congress is the "One" person having absolute authority!? hahaaa! Face it, this Bush is a dictator argument is B.S. at best! One party is just about always going to have a few more seats in the house and senate. You can't always have it completely equal. This just makes it even more democratic! The people of our country elected these officials. How is this a dictatorship? Face it, if you're saying Bush is a dictator, you lose! With our system of government, it's impossible for one to become a dicator.

Its not impossible when a person has so much power and influence outside of being President that he could ruin any Republlican that he didn't like. Its not impossible to be a dictator in America when you scare politicians with your power into voting your way. Purging the CIA of liberals is a dictatorship. His power/influence alone scares republicans and democrats alike, I worked on a campaign for congress in Oklahoma and many people in the campaign talked about how the Bush's scare other politicians unlike any other president, mainly because of their influence/power. Influence through friends in high and low places and professional contacts, also association with some mafioso figures. All of you should really research the Bush's past in a non-biased way to find out who they really are, instead of just blurting your mind's thoughts based on biased reasoning.

[edit on 14-11-2004 by TheBigD]

Bush doesn't have any more power than any other politician. People VOTED HIM IN. People VOTED for the house and senate to be controlled by a slight republican majority, which really doesn't mean all that much. It's not like he fired every single democrat in our government! He replaced some with people of his own, but guess what? That's what happens when you become president! You appoint people to your cabinet! A dictator is ONE who rules absolutely. This can't possibly happen when nearly half of the senate and house is still controlled by democrats! It's almost impossible for America to resort to a dictator ship because of the way our government is set up. Anyone who says Bush is a dictator loses much respect in my view.

Originally posted by Xatnys
Bush is not a dictator. Not on his own merits.

However, the ones that pull his strings from behind the scenes, they are another matter.

X

Amen. Whats it going to take for Bush followers to wake up and say:"Hey, those people might have something there"
Liberals are the ones with open eyes. we're the ones educated as to what is really going on. Did I say liberals? sorry..I meant anyone who isnt backing Bush in his endeavors.
I am bewildered to see that so many people believe 9/11 as told and explained by Faux News. That so many think the Patriot Act is good for us,
and that the war in Iraq is "cool" and well deserved! Doesnt it bother you just a tiny bit there were NO weapons of Mass desctruction?
That 9/11 is questionable to say the least?
That Iraqis DID NOT instigate a war with us?
That Osama went free?
ARE YOU ALL DEAD?
No offense, but seriously, what is it that is the driving force behind these Bush followers?
You like being lied to?
Doesnt the fact that so many innocents are dying bother you?
Where is your heart?
As to the morality issue..Please...What morality? The presidents?
Does all of the above qualify this man as a moral man?
Shouldnt morality begin at home? What good is it to have a "moral" president if you dont have any morals at home?

Sometimes i wonder about humanity in general.

I stand corrected, Bush is not the dictator but he is the bumbling fool that can't make a straight sentence at a fourth grade level. Carl Rove and Uncle Dick are running the show. That is what has p___ed off so many democrats, the election of a puppet regime to a second term. In 2000 when the supreme court handed him the presidency, I told Gore-haters, "Ok I will respect Bush because the US has survied all these years under not-so favored presidents and we have a system that prevents absolute power weilding". This time around it's just unconcievable that we would re-elect someone with such a low score and a track record, of causing 1000s of unnecessary deaths and driving a prospering economy into the dust. If his Daddy had won again or one of the other repulican governors had won, I don't think we would be having these discussions. Don't take any of this as attacks on you, but the resgime needs to go in 2008.
Minimum Wages: I predict that the poverty wealth gap will widen to an expanse so great in the next four years that half or more of US citizens will be unable to afford healthcare.

So if the Patriot Acts are being used on american citizens, and the powers granted under its provisions are invoked by Bush & Co, would that make it a dictatorship? I guess it isn't quite a junta but it does involve a group or committee of sorts, running the show.

Some of the definitions of dictatorship really do seem to fit the Bush admin though.

"In a dictatorship, there are no regular, fair, and competitive elections. However, sometimes dictators can initially obtain power from democratic elections (like Adolf Hitler of Nazi Germany), but shortly after being elected the dictator will ban all opposing parties and cancel all future elections. Though free elections will never occur under a dictatorship, sometimes dictators orchestrate phony elections in an attempt to grant themselves some illusion of democratic legitimacy and public support. Usually, the dictator runs for "re-election" unopposed, with voters being asked to answer a simple "yes or no" ballot on the leader's continued rule. As can be expected, coercion and corruption usually plague such "elections" and dictators will often claim unrealistically high voter turnouts and results. "

I'm still waiting for a thoughtful explanation from the Bu#es as to why this isn't at very least a dictatorship in its infancy. When you factor in the Patriot Acts, it's really hard to think otherwise. It's pointless to call this the land of the free when americans are on the brink of having so many civil rights cancelled out by pieces of paper we didn't even get to vote on. Who's to say if or when we get these rights back when the government is "done" with them

--Saerlaith

Originally posted by Herman
Bush doesn't have any more power than any other politician. People VOTED HIM IN. People VOTED for the house and senate to be controlled by a slight republican majority, which really doesn't mean all that much. It's not like he fired every single democrat in our government! He replaced some with people of his own, but guess what? That's what happens when you become president! You appoint people to your cabinet! A dictator is ONE who rules absolutely. This can't possibly happen when nearly half of the senate and house is still controlled by democrats! It's almost impossible for America to resort to a dictator ship because of the way our government is set up. Anyone who says Bush is a dictator loses much respect in my view.

You obviously didn't understand my last post, did you? Throughly read it before showing your incompetence.

You know, tyou all may not need to go to Canada, but I promise you, you'd all fit in with the whiners at democraticunderground. It absolutely kills you if you can't win, legally or not! Right now your party is pityful if not funny, as it is out of power. Otherwisse, it'd be dangerous and scary. I know you can't understand that, but if by some fluke Hillary beats Condi in 2008, I'll point it out to you every step of the way. After all, what are board mates for, huh?

Now, back to the original point. No, it is not conceivable that Bush is a dictator. He may not do as he wishes. There is still the same governmental body there was before. As a matter of fact, the Republicans do not stand by their party or their president regardless of the scandal, crime or moral wrong-doing, as the Democrats do. You needn't worry, your fears are baseless - for now.

Bush, A dictator? Give Me a Break! I'm not a Bush fan, and I'll even admit that I voted for Kerry. However, that doesn't mean I not willing to defend my government from critizism it does NOT deserve! Bush was elected by the people. Dictators are not elected. Second, Dictators have absolute power, Bush doesn't! If you can perswade people to support you, that isn't dictatorship. Unless you can PROVE in a court of law that bush is using Force to make the hundreds of others in the government do what he wants, He isn't a daictator, and this arguement is OVER!

Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

All dictators throughout history have had the intelligence and strategic wherewithal to control a whole state on their utter command. Bush a dictator, do me a favour, he probably can't even spell it.

Lets face it children. The LEFT has been a dictator when it was in control of DC for 40 years. It is a dictatorship through judges that MAKE law. The judiciary is the true dictatorship at the moment. Thats why the libs are so afraid of Bush. He might change the make-up of the dictatorship the left has setup.

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL

This is so true, and scary. It's amazing to me how ignorant people in this country have become on all issues. Bush is corrupt to the bone, ample proof of that even on ATS. But no so many choose to not believe it. Well believe it cause most of it is true.

And you know because?.....

Let's see if you can actually make an intelligent argument as to why you are saying you are in a dictatorship.

Tell us, what freedoms you don't have now that you had under Clinton's administration?

what's the difference between a Dictator and a DickCheney?

Originally posted by dgtempe

Amen. Whats it going to take for Bush followers to wake up and say:"Hey, those people might have something there"
Liberals are the ones with open eyes. we're the ones educated as to what is really going on. Did I say liberals? sorry..I meant anyone who isnt backing Bush in his endeavors.
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You are the educated ones huh?.....you mean the same ones that believe any wild conspiracy only because it bashes Bush?....

When are liberals going to realize that you are under the banner of socialism/communism and you are adapting every socialist/communist idea as your own under the guise of "liberalism"?.....

Many liberals have said what they have in store for you, yet you still back them up.... how is that for being asleep?....

And DG....do not tell me that you are "that educated" when you believe the stupidest of conspiracies "without any evidence to back your own claims" or those of other liberals you so willingly believe....

Let me quote the master of communism...I mean socialism and "liberalism".....

I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
Roger Baldwin

Excerpted from.
en.thinkexist.com...

Another link where you will find the same quote.

www.brainyquote.com...

Roger Baldwin was one of the founders of ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

He clearly states above that their goal is "communism."

Another founder of ACLU was Norman Thomas. Let's see what he had to say....

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 and co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

Excerpted from.
www.americandaily.com...


If you want to learn more about the socialist party and the communist party and to see that they both are actually working towards the same goal read the following. It deals with the early history of both socialism and communism in the US.

The following is an excerpt in which the communist party created a group of socialists, among the poor black people, known as the "African Blood Brotherhood." This information is from an encyclopedia, this is not a website that has an agenda.

Consequently, the Communist Party was forced underground and went through name changes to evade the authorities. Following the recruitment of, the Workers Council � another factional grouping coming out of the Socialist Party � the aboveground front for the illegal Communist Party gradually replaced the underground party. Despite a struggle by some party members to retain an illegal appartus on principle, the aboveground and underground parties were fully merged, the new party being officially named the Worker (Communist) Party. Significantly, the party also recruited an organisation of African-American socialists called the African Blood Brotherhood, some of the members of which would later be important to communist work among Black people.

Excerpted from.
encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...

DG...didn't you say that you were born in Cuba? or lived there until you were 8 years old also?..... if that is true you should see clearly enough what is going on, and that the above clearly shows.... That under the guise of "liberalism" communism will take a hold in the US. It already has, as many people are blindly following this doctrine without any knowledge of the true goals, thinking it will be much better.

Originally posted by TheBigD
so how is he not a dictator?

Because he doesn't dictate law? Becuase the military is loyal to the nation, not his person? Because he has to be voted into office? Because the executive powers are limited? Because he basically isn't a dictator? All this talk of bush being a dictator is going to serve as a distraction from real problems when real dictators try to get power. Just because the republicans were voted into majority in the congress doesn't mean that Bush is a dictator. He can't even force his judicial nominees into office, how the heck is he a dictator?

Whe you here socialist/communism, it's because Democracy is a threat to facist/imperialism.

Let's just have a dictator in the White House anyway. At least that way we would be sure we were not being lied to and fooled into submission.

Originally posted by The Teller
Let's just have a dictator in the White House anyway. At least that way we would be sure we were not being lied to and fooled into submission.

They can't do that, then the underground would stop fighting each other and the corporate man, and start teaming up against the government.

The resistance would have a defined cause, rather than only being "the extreme".

Originally posted by KrazyJethro

They can't do that, then the underground would stop fighting each other and the corporate man, and start teaming up against the government.

Cool seems like a really good idea for a TV show.

Originally posted by Justmytype
Go cry in Canada with all the other deserters who want to flee this beautiful nation. Im so sick and tired of hearing all this nonsense. This is America, the home of the free, the strong and the brave, yes thats right I said it, the home of the free. If it werent for Terrorists none of this crap would even be taken place but since our goverment was made to feel that they did such a crappy job protecting us on 9/11, what do you expect them to do to increase security to make people feel safer. They are damed if they do and damned if they dont..

Try being an American, not a dem or a reb or a liberal just a "F'n" American, look at your neighbor, take a breath of air, enjoy your family and realise, we still are free and always will be as long as you belive in being an American.

Freedom in the USA is an oxymoron of the purest form. What you describe is the ever elusive american dream, which is a fantasy contrived to supress the masses. Short of full scale revolution by the working class (which I am very much in favour of), you will never be free. Home of the brave, indeed.

Secodly: why is terrorism only terrorism when your government says it is? Look up the definition of terrorism. Under the real definition, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombing of the north korean dams, Reagan's horrendous atrocities in latin america and now bush's foray into the middle east are all not only heinous acts of terrorism, but war crimes of the highest calibre. Do you realise that currently, Bush is hailing the accomplishments of his liberating (thinly disguised sarcasm here, folks ) operation in iraq, when war criminals were sentenced to death at nuremburg for much less.

The definition of a war crime has also changed. The new definition is 'Something we didn't do, but they (they as in japanese, iraqis, koreans, etc) did do.'