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reply posted on 14-11-2004 @ 07:57 PM by Saerlaith
So if the Patriot Acts are being used on american citizens, and the powers granted under its provisions are invoked by Bush & Co, would that make it a dictatorship? I guess it isn't quite a junta but it does involve a group or committee of sorts, running the show.

Some of the definitions of dictatorship really do seem to fit the Bush admin though.

"In a dictatorship, there are no regular, fair, and competitive elections. However, sometimes dictators can initially obtain power from democratic elections (like Adolf Hitler of Nazi Germany), but shortly after being elected the dictator will ban all opposing parties and cancel all future elections. Though free elections will never occur under a dictatorship, sometimes dictators orchestrate phony elections in an attempt to grant themselves some illusion of democratic legitimacy and public support. Usually, the dictator runs for "re-election" unopposed, with voters being asked to answer a simple "yes or no" ballot on the leader's continued rule. As can be expected, coercion and corruption usually plague such "elections" and dictators will often claim unrealistically high voter turnouts and results. "

I'm still waiting for a thoughtful explanation from the Bu#es as to why this isn't at very least a dictatorship in its infancy. When you factor in the Patriot Acts, it's really hard to think otherwise. It's pointless to call this the land of the free when americans are on the brink of having so many civil rights cancelled out by pieces of paper we didn't even get to vote on. Who's to say if or when we get these rights back when the government is "done" with them

--Saerlaith


reply posted on 15-11-2004 @ 11:11 AM by Muaddib
Originally posted by dgtempe

Amen. Whats it going to take for Bush followers to wake up and say:"Hey, those people might have something there"
Liberals are the ones with open eyes. we're the ones educated as to what is really going on. Did I say liberals? sorry..I meant anyone who isnt backing Bush in his endeavors.
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You are the educated ones huh?.....you mean the same ones that believe any wild conspiracy only because it bashes Bush?....

When are liberals going to realize that you are under the banner of socialism/communism and you are adapting every socialist/communist idea as your own under the guise of "liberalism"?.....

Many liberals have said what they have in store for you, yet you still back them up.... how is that for being asleep?....

And DG....do not tell me that you are "that educated" when you believe the stupidest of conspiracies "without any evidence to back your own claims" or those of other liberals you so willingly believe....

Let me quote the master of communism...I mean socialism and "liberalism".....

I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
Roger Baldwin


Excerpted from.
en.thinkexist.com...

Another link where you will find the same quote.

www.brainyquote.com...

Roger Baldwin was one of the founders of ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

He clearly states above that their goal is "communism."

Another founder of ACLU was Norman Thomas. Let's see what he had to say....

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 and co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).


Excerpted from.
www.americandaily.com...


If you want to learn more about the socialist party and the communist party and to see that they both are actually working towards the same goal read the following. It deals with the early history of both socialism and communism in the US.

The following is an excerpt in which the communist party created a group of socialists, among the poor black people, known as the "African Blood Brotherhood." This information is from an encyclopedia, this is not a website that has an agenda.

Consequently, the Communist Party was forced underground and went through name changes to evade the authorities. Following the recruitment of, the Workers Council — another factional grouping coming out of the Socialist Party — the aboveground front for the illegal Communist Party gradually replaced the underground party. Despite a struggle by some party members to retain an illegal appartus on principle, the aboveground and underground parties were fully merged, the new party being officially named the Worker (Communist) Party. Significantly, the party also recruited an organisation of African-American socialists called the African Blood Brotherhood, some of the members of which would later be important to communist work among Black people.


Excerpted from.
encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...

DG...didn't you say that you were born in Cuba? or lived there until you were 8 years old also?..... if that is true you should see clearly enough what is going on, and that the above clearly shows.... That under the guise of "liberalism" communism will take a hold in the US. It already has, as many people are blindly following this doctrine without any knowledge of the true goals, thinking it will be much better.


reply posted on 15-11-2004 @ 11:56 PM by General Zapata
Originally posted by Justmytype
Go cry in Canada with all the other deserters who want to flee this beautiful nation. Im so sick and tired of hearing all this nonsense. This is America, the home of the free, the strong and the brave, yes thats right I said it, the home of the free. If it werent for Terrorists none of this crap would even be taken place but since our goverment was made to feel that they did such a crappy job protecting us on 9/11, what do you expect them to do to increase security to make people feel safer. They are damed if they do and damned if they dont..

Try being an American, not a dem or a reb or a liberal just a "F'n" American, look at your neighbor, take a breath of air, enjoy your family and realise, we still are free and always will be as long as you belive in being an American.



Freedom in the USA is an oxymoron of the purest form. What you describe is the ever elusive american dream, which is a fantasy contrived to supress the masses. Short of full scale revolution by the working class (which I am very much in favour of), you will never be free. Home of the brave, indeed.

Secodly: why is terrorism only terrorism when your government says it is? Look up the definition of terrorism. Under the real definition, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombing of the north korean dams, Reagan's horrendous atrocities in latin america and now bush's foray into the middle east are all not only heinous acts of terrorism, but war crimes of the highest calibre. Do you realise that currently, Bush is hailing the accomplishments of his liberating (thinly disguised sarcasm here, folks ) operation in iraq, when war criminals were sentenced to death at nuremburg for much less.

The definition of a war crime has also changed. The new definition is 'Something we didn't do, but they (they as in japanese, iraqis, koreans, etc) did do.'
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