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Originally posted by filledcup
Originally posted by Americanist
I've attempted to use Newton's Cradle as an example in the past. A choke ring as the plate-shaped barrier between spheres - that being our visible light. The following video gets the point across:
And a few posts down - the drive: System of Truth
edit on 4-8-2013 by Americanist because: (no reason given)
thanks for this. it has been very insightful for me to see such scientific experiments.
is this by chance your presentation? or do you work in this field?
the standard model actually is insane. All we see and are came ultimately from a little microbe (though none say where that came from) in a pond after the earth cooled after it came together as dust circling a sun (how did that get there again?) after a big bang of nothing were nothing existed.
The Standard Model of particle physics is a theory concerning the electromagnetic, weak, and strong nuclear interactions, which mediate the dynamics of the known subatomic particles.
Originally posted by Kashai
reply to post by Phage
The problem with the standard model is the measurement problem.
A primary stumbling block in the construction of a Theory of Everything is that straightforward attempts to apply quantum mechanics to the gravitational field, in the same way as for say the electromagnetic field, fail due to the breakdown of the renormalization procedure. Thus the central issue is how to combine general relativity and quantum mechanics. This is one of the unsolved problems in physics.
Theory of Everything
Originally posted by stirling
Really, couldn't we all just be Gods dream of what might have occurred if he really had created a universe?
You all seem to take it way too seriously....
Phages intolerance of the lessor mortal mind flames on as he singlyhandidly attempts to illustrate how fuzzy thinking and missed perceptions fuddled the world eternally....".ya gotta see between the cracks.....where the dust of existence collects"......scolds the inept scholarship of the OPs......great stuff...you are both right...........................................youre both wrong..............
Sadly, its all .........well.......relative..................wouldnt you say??.
Nothing is imperical
Nothing is forever....
Nothing is for real................
There really is only this one single ever happening moment which exists either in our anticipation of it, or our memory of it............
Few there are in the world who can truly grasp it, live in it,........
And no, none of us are in that class yet....spiritually or mentally.....
nope not one.............
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
Originally posted by Kashai
reply to post by Phage
The problem with the standard model is the measurement problem.
The problem with the Standard Model is that it has trouble unifying quantum mechanics with general relativity.
A primary stumbling block in the construction of a Theory of Everything is that straightforward attempts to apply quantum mechanics to the gravitational field, in the same way as for say the electromagnetic field, fail due to the breakdown of the renormalization procedure. Thus the central issue is how to combine general relativity and quantum mechanics. This is one of the unsolved problems in physics.
Theory of Everything
And that's where "New Physics" theories like String Theory and Loop Quantum Gravity come into the picture. They are more fundamental theories which deal with matter on a much more rudimentary level in an attempt to explain what the Standard Model cannot explain. All this article is saying is that we now have quite promising experimental proof that a more fundamental realm of physics does exist, meaning that we haven't been researching String Theory and Quantum Gravity for decades for no reason.edit on 4/8/2013 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by filledcup
i've never seen conclusive proof for dark matter. it is just some thing inserted to account for things we do not understand.
or something that our scientific machines cannot efficiently track.
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by filledcup
or something that our scientific machines cannot efficiently track.
i think you may have misunderstood what i was saying.
dark matter is used to account for things that we do not understand, like how galaxies form, or the expansion rate of the universe. i've only seen evidence against it, if i'm being honest.
there is not enough evidence to offer the excuse "we simply cannot observe it yet". it is an unfounded explanation for unknown events, and as such, shouldn't be taken seriously until some tangible evidence comes out.
. The framework for the Big Bang model relies on Albert Einstein's general relativity and on simplifying assumptions such as homogeneity and isotropy of space. The governing equations had been formulated by Alexander Friedmann. In 1929, Edwin Hubble discovered that the distances to far away galaxies were generally proportional to their redshifts—an idea originally suggested by Lemaître in 1927. Hubble's observation was taken to indicate that all very distant galaxies and clusters have an apparent velocity directly away from our vantage point: the farther away, the higher the apparent velocity.[16]
Originally posted by filledcup
Originally posted by Phage
You know that the Standard Model has to do with fundamental atomic particles, not the big bang, right?
They think they may have found something...maybe. That's happened before at CERN before. Remember the "faster than light" neutrons.
Really interesting. But again, it doesn't really say much about the big bang.
Here's a source that's a bit more coherent. This does not toss the Standard Model out. It expands upon it, possibly providing clues about the nature of dark matter and gravity.
phys.org...
The Standard Model, which has given the most complete explanation up to now of the universe, has gaps, and is unable to explain phenomena like dark matter or gravitational interaction between particles. Physicists are therefore seeking a more fundamental theory that they call "New Physics", but up to now there has been no direct proof of its existence, only indirect observation of dark matter, as deduced, among other things, from the movement of the galaxies.
yes i noted that. yes indeed they have not made a final decision which is why i have a 'question mark (?) at the end of my topic title. but what is true is that they are now seeing reason to question what they thought they knew and was set to solidify as fact for all eternity.
wouldnt you agree that the standard model deals solely in logical explanation? and that these discoveries science is coming to nowadays are further pushing them out of the realms of pure fundamental logic into illogical interaction somehow forming the logical and physical reality we see around us?
in most basic example an atom appears to be made out of empty space, and contains within it energy. yet, when put together in an arrangement it becomes a solid block of say.. calcium stone.
the visible formed out of the invisible? sorry, but the bible said it first!
also.. the implications do affect the big bang from my perspective and here's why. in a holistic examination of longterm effects if such a knowledge was to be accepted. wouldnt they have to remodel the forging of the physical universe in relation to it's apparent invisible counterparts? all the other dimensions with living beings in them?
HOW.. would they do that, without admitting the bible said it first? in the beginning all was dark and void and God said let their be light. didnt light somehow burst forth thru the darkness? what was the catalyst for this reaction? it could not have ignited itself. this much is ignored!
i propose that the dark matter is alive, conscious, and willfully performs the tasks it must to structure energy/light into atoms and the rules of interaction set in those atoms which allow them to come together to form solid matter. in essence it wont be matter at all. it is in a state which is ready to be commanded to become the form which it is willed to do.
there is no chance. this is all intentional. science is slowly approaching proof of things claimed in religious texts by mystics centuries ago!
Originally posted by filledcup
reply to post by HairlessApe
the connection to the big bang is only seen when viewing the presented information holistically. applying the information and assessing the implications of it's introduction.
Originally posted by filledcup
Originally posted by Phage
You know that the Standard Model has to do with fundamental atomic particles, not the big bang, right?
They think they may have found something...maybe. That's happened before at CERN before. Remember the "faster than light" neutrons.
Really interesting. But again, it doesn't really say much about the big bang.
Here's a source that's a bit more coherent. This does not toss the Standard Model out. It expands upon it, possibly providing clues about the nature of dark matter and gravity.
phys.org...
The Standard Model, which has given the most complete explanation up to now of the universe, has gaps, and is unable to explain phenomena like dark matter or gravitational interaction between particles. Physicists are therefore seeking a more fundamental theory that they call "New Physics", but up to now there has been no direct proof of its existence, only indirect observation of dark matter, as deduced, among other things, from the movement of the galaxies.
yes i noted that. yes indeed they have not made a final decision which is why i have a 'question mark (?) at the end of my topic title. but what is true is that they are now seeing reason to question what they thought they knew and was set to solidify as fact for all eternity.
wouldnt you agree that the standard model deals solely in logical explanation? and that these discoveries science is coming to nowadays are further pushing them out of the realms of pure fundamental logic into illogical interaction somehow forming the logical and physical reality we see around us?
in most basic example an atom appears to be made out of empty space, and contains within it energy. yet, when put together in an arrangement it becomes a solid block of say.. calcium stone.
the visible formed out of the invisible? sorry, but the bible said it first!
also.. the implications do affect the big bang from my perspective and here's why. in a holistic examination of longterm effects if such a knowledge was to be accepted. wouldnt they have to remodel the forging of the physical universe in relation to it's apparent invisible counterparts? all the other dimensions with living beings in them?
HOW.. would they do that, without admitting the bible said it first? in the beginning all was dark and void and God said let their be light. didnt light somehow burst forth thru the darkness? what was the catalyst for this reaction? it could not have ignited itself. this much is ignored!
i propose that the dark matter is alive, conscious, and willfully performs the tasks it must to structure energy/light into atoms and the rules of interaction set in those atoms which allow them to come together to form solid matter. in essence it wont be matter at all. it is in a state which is ready to be commanded to become the form which it is willed to do.
there is no chance. this is all intentional. science is slowly approaching proof of things claimed in religious texts by mystics centuries ago!
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Ok, so what information and I forgetting to apply to the big bang? And what part of these "new laws of physics" could not fit into our current understanding of the origin of the universe? Why would the big bang theory not be able to accommodate these changes if the big bang theory was altered in light of this new information?
I understand I have to "apply the information." But YOU made the claim which the article does not discuss, so I'm asking YOU to apply it and show me.
Originally posted by filledcup
reply to post by HairlessApe
the connection to the big bang is only seen when viewing the presented information holistically. applying the information and assessing the implications of it's introduction.
Originally posted by filledcup
Originally posted by Phage
You know that the Standard Model has to do with fundamental atomic particles, not the big bang, right?
They think they may have found something...maybe. That's happened before at CERN before. Remember the "faster than light" neutrons.
Really interesting. But again, it doesn't really say much about the big bang.
Here's a source that's a bit more coherent. This does not toss the Standard Model out. It expands upon it, possibly providing clues about the nature of dark matter and gravity.
phys.org...
The Standard Model, which has given the most complete explanation up to now of the universe, has gaps, and is unable to explain phenomena like dark matter or gravitational interaction between particles. Physicists are therefore seeking a more fundamental theory that they call "New Physics", but up to now there has been no direct proof of its existence, only indirect observation of dark matter, as deduced, among other things, from the movement of the galaxies.
yes i noted that. yes indeed they have not made a final decision which is why i have a 'question mark (?) at the end of my topic title. but what is true is that they are now seeing reason to question what they thought they knew and was set to solidify as fact for all eternity.
wouldnt you agree that the standard model deals solely in logical explanation? and that these discoveries science is coming to nowadays are further pushing them out of the realms of pure fundamental logic into illogical interaction somehow forming the logical and physical reality we see around us?
in most basic example an atom appears to be made out of empty space, and contains within it energy. yet, when put together in an arrangement it becomes a solid block of say.. calcium stone.
the visible formed out of the invisible? sorry, but the bible said it first!
also.. the implications do affect the big bang from my perspective and here's why. in a holistic examination of longterm effects if such a knowledge was to be accepted. wouldnt they have to remodel the forging of the physical universe in relation to it's apparent invisible counterparts? all the other dimensions with living beings in them?
HOW.. would they do that, without admitting the bible said it first? in the beginning all was dark and void and God said let their be light. didnt light somehow burst forth thru the darkness? what was the catalyst for this reaction? it could not have ignited itself. this much is ignored!
i propose that the dark matter is alive, conscious, and willfully performs the tasks it must to structure energy/light into atoms and the rules of interaction set in those atoms which allow them to come together to form solid matter. in essence it wont be matter at all. it is in a state which is ready to be commanded to become the form which it is willed to do.
there is no chance. this is all intentional. science is slowly approaching proof of things claimed in religious texts by mystics centuries ago!
Originally posted by Phage
You know that the Standard Model has to do with fundamental atomic particles, not the big bang, right?
"What happens is you get just a quantum fluctuation that makes a tiny bubble of the vacuum the Universe really wants to be in. And because it's a lower-energy state, this bubble will then expand, basically at the speed of light, and sweep everything before it", the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory theoretician told BBC News.
If the calculation on vacuum instability stands up, it will revive an old idea that the Big Bang Universe we observe today is just the latest version in a permanent cycle of events.
"I think that idea is getting more and more traction," said Dr Lykken.