reply to post by frazzle
If its so pathetic why do you keep coming here and responding? Of course I'm not saying that the thread hasn't tanked for lack of interest.
No, it tanked because its original argument that "the UNITED STATES committed the greatest genocide" was empirically debunked. It has, for lack of
better words, turned into a rotten blame game of who is worse by those too bored or disillusioned with life to move on to the next factual argument
seeing as this one is not conducive to gaining any greater knowledge.
This thread and people like yourself are reaching for straws and making loose associations, all the while ignoring the fact that this threads original
hypothesis is completely void of historical fact, context, or common sense. I cant help but call you on your BS. Please prove that the US committed
the GREATEST genocide, or make your own "America is evil" thread.
After all, we've got bigger fish to fry these days ~ Afghans, Iraqis, Libyans, Egyptians, Syrians, Yemenis, etc. etc. Still hunting down and
killing brown people we don't understand because we don't NEED to understand anyone ~ that part of our heritage has not changed at all, we've still
got bigger, better guns than "they" do. And we are, in your estimation, the "poor whipping boy". Oh boy!
I fail to see what civil wars and social conflict in the ME have to do with Genocide in the americas hundreds of years ago, or "our" heritage?
Are you referring to black market sales of weapons to nations in the ME? That is the reason for every civil war and uprising there....in case you are
too blind to see that Mr. informed.
If so please explain how the US is the sole responsible party for the worlds black market, since the very name implies a global community selling and
distributing weapons with the end result of destabilizing nations so as to create a greater need for weapons.
Europe, China, factions in Africa, Russia, the US, AND MANY MORE, ALL sell weapons on the black market. Is your "OUR" terminology referring to human
nature? Humanity as a whole? If so please note that the very concept includes "brown" people....or do you think that "the white man" has got you
down....? Really. There is no "brown" people destabilizing the world for heinous ends? 0.o
Do you even know how to read a news paper? your view of global conflict is amazing. How on earth do you ignore the entirety of current events and
place "white faces" on the problem......so your issue is race? again....0.o
And, of course, I'm not saying that tens of thousands of indigenous people didn't die of European borne diseases, which speaks to the filth and
disease that Europeans had adapted to over the course of its existence and brought with them to America. Which is not to say that these outbreaks
didn't kill a large number of Europeans as well, particularly children, both in their home country as well as the "new world".
LOL, this is just funny.
FIrst of all, it was MILLIONS. If you cant even get that fact right, then you need to have another glass of milk, grow up some and take a look at a
grade school history book. If you feel like a big boy now, take a look at some scholarly studies and peer reviewed historical material and realize how
that number is just absurd. ONE city in any south american empire could hold tens of thousands.
As far as the "filth" the Europeans adapted to....lol
You do realize that if YOU walked into the old world or the Americas in the period of time we are talking about, you would KILL millions of people
just for bringing diseases their physiology hasn’t adapted to. Are you a filthy pig?
You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about when it comes to epidemiology. If you go to certain parts of the world, you would need a
vaccination just so you don’t get horribly sick and possibly die.
They are not “pigs” where you may be going. Its just that populations and individual people adapt to the diseases they are exposed to slowly over
time. You cant just dump someone in another continent and not risk an epidemic because we all have different environments and as such different
diseases where we are from. Ok,? you learn something there, or were you just feigning ignorance so as to hate white pigs in general…..
Indigenous peoples often commented on how the invaders could be detected long before being seen, just by the smell because bathing more than
once a year was considered "unhealthy" and "uncivilized" by Europeans (this is also peer reviewed). Walking petri dishes loaded with yucky stuff and
the natives had no immunity to all that filth.
Yucky stuff? Filth? Dafuq are you talking about?
Hygiene is important yes, and the old world did have issues with hygiene causing disease to fester….but what the hell are you implying here? That
native peoples didn’t crap and piss? That they had advanced sewage systems and didn’t have crude operations to dispose of human waste? You do
realize that plagues happened all throughout history and everywhere and most are always related to the disposal of waste and garbage.
The Americas had MANY plagues before the Europeans arrived. Again you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Please review a grade school biology
text book…..look up epidemiology, the study of epidemics. I fail to see how you should be teaching us anything about it. You are in a position to
listen and learn, not preach and proclaim.
So I don't particularly care whether you call them European, American or the best thing since sliced (white) bread, this continent has been
pretty much ruined by a bunch of what's-his-names who came here with gold and glitz on their minds and they did what they did IN the US, not in
Europe, and that included a rampage of gratuitous murdering of those who DID NOT succumb to disease so they could get to the gold and the land.
I don’t even know how to address this. It is like looking at a collapsed building your suppose to put back together.
“what's-his-names”? In case you weren’t following or refused to, or cant….we were saying that the US did or did not commit the worlds worst
genocide. The facts presented are as follows:
The country of the USA, was not even formed until long after the greatest death tolls in the americas occurred, which was during the initial years of
European colonization. The numbers of deaths afterwards does not constitute “genocide”….sorry but it is just absurd to imply the contrary.
Also do you think that the EMPIRES in south America were forged by singing and dancing around flowers and lolly pops?
I have studied South American cultures my whole life. Everything about their world was as gritty as the old world. Did you know that before the
Spanish arrived in the Americas a civil war was fought in order to establish a new dynasty of rulers in the Inca empire? They killed thousands of the
opposition to the new rulers, killed all the scholars and thinkers, and erased and rewrote their history to include the new dynasty as the legitimate
ruling family? That is one of many examples of a part of the world which was ripe with war and conflict.
The Aztecs were literally a triple alliance between 3 groups of people. They were late comers to a scene where not a single WEEK went by without a
violent assault for slaves, raids for food and raw materials, or just ritualistic warfare for BLOOD. The Aztecs brought some order to the area and
just made many innumerable raids by rival groups into organized sacrifice and tribute to a central power. The natives that helped the Spanish did so
because they were OPPRESSED by the Aztec empire and longed for the glory days of everyone just running wild raiding and killing each other without a
single group always winning.
There is literally to much to list, but you need to get your head out of your ass. The Americas weren’t any better before the Europeans arrived.
They had golden ages like everyone else, but since a golden age is always followed by a dark age they too had many low points. The white heritage you
seem to think is so evil is actually human heritage. SO I suggest you deal with it somehow instead of thinking it is the fault of one group or race.
Read, read, read, read, and then read some more. The view you have of the American native EMPIRES is so naïve that I dare say you just “get the
feeling” of what you say after watching TV for a couple years about it.
The irony in that is if you look around today, the same people who owned and controlled the gold and land (and slaves and indentured servants)
back then still own and control it and you. And they are apparently more than willing to do to you what they did to the natives. In a the more things
change the more they same kind of way, now they've got big pharma and big ag to get rid of as many useless eaters as possible, but never discount all
those "defense" weapons and hollow points DHS has purchased to take care of any stragglers and belligerents who survive the diseases.
What does big pharma have to do with the pre-hispanic world or the age of European expansion into the new world? Have we been subjected to a plague?
Are we being rounded up into FEMA camps and being shot in the streets with hollow points?
Just so you know, budgets shrink when the money allotted isn’t spent. That is why even the most dinky and retarded office or business that is
restricted by a budget they don’t set, makes sure to spend every penny before the year ends. WHY?, because it is standard practice to reduce a
budget if there is money left over, since that means too much was allotted for the job to be completed.
Again, I fail to see what the DHS or its purchases has to do with the subject at hand, but that is what you don’t know and why you are probably
living in hateful fear. I am “almost” sorry for you.
You have tried to tie all sorts of nonsense into your argument, and I have realized that you really don’t have one.
You really don’t have a point. You are just butt hurting about the negatives to the US and Europe while opportunistically ignoring ALL the good.
This is your soap box and you feel vindicated for spitting vile blame and shame.
Do you feel you have improved the situation somehow when you go on these hateful little diatribes? Are you off the hook somehow and not obligated to
do your part because your excuse is that you don’t “opt into the system”…all the while living in a developed country in the west?
It’s funny you posted that quote about a traitor within by Marcus Tullius Cicero. You appear to be too frail a person in honor or truth, and too
weak minded by the diluted nature of your convictions, to actually understand what it means and what it is about. I still thank you for it. It was
wonderful to read and is really a serendipitous addition on your part..... the irony is just too sweet.
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