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Originally posted by Spider879
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Spider879
Not to belabour the point but everyone then is formerly African (AFAWKN)! So that means Greeks, Mongols everybody down to your Inuits and Polynesians....are African
Only in the broadest sense of the term everyone is East African.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Originally posted by Spider879
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Spider879
Not to belabour the point but everyone then is formerly African (AFAWKN)! So that means Greeks, Mongols everybody down to your Inuits and Polynesians....are African
Only in the broadest sense of the term everyone is East African.
Then it goes right back to your definition of what makes a person 'African'. You appearing to be saying its time dependent too.
Originally posted by punkinworks10
Spider you find th
s of interest
A post on john hawks blog about Latin loan words in Bantu.
johnhawks.net...
And a bit about a Eurasian migration into east Africa about
3000 years ago,
And a east African migration into south Africa
some 1500 years ago.
johnhawks.net...
edit on 4-9-2013 by punkinworks10 because: (no reason given)
Almost 2,500 years ago, after the destruction of the Temple, a group of Jews left Judea and settled in Yemen. When the economic situation in Yemen began to fail, the Jews left and moved to Africa; with one group settling in Ethiopia and the other in Tanzania. After several years, many Jews left Ethiopia and moved further south into what today is Zimbabwe. They became known as the Ba-Lemba. Today, there exists a Lemba Cultural Association attempting to bring all the various Lemba communities in South Africa, Mozambique, Ethiopia, and Zimbabwe together
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
What the Y chromosomes tell
In contrast to mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) which is passed on exclusively from mother to child and is useful in tracing the ancestry of human populations along female lineages, Y chromosomes are found only in males.
"Using mtDNA the Lemba were indistinguishable from other Bantu-speaking groups. However, when my colleague Mandy Spurdle analysed the Y chromosomes in the Lemba, she found that approximately 50% of the Y chromosomes present in the Lemba appeared to be from Semitic (Jewish or Arab) origin. Thirty six per cent was of African origin, and the ancestry of the remaining 14% could not be resolved by the methodology used at the time. This study sparked a great deal of interest among researchers interested in the origins of the 'Black Jews' of South Africa," says Dr Soodyall.
Origins of Y chromosomes in Lemba and Remba.
"A group of researchers at the University College in London recently extended a genetic approach first adopted by our laboratory to resolve the Y chromosome lineages found in the Lemba. These researchers found that a particular Y chromosome combination or haplotype - known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype or CMH - was present in the Lemba at a frequency of about 9%. This haplotype is only found at high frequency in Jewish priests, so this seems to corroborate the Lemba oral history about their origins," explains Dr Soodyall.
In her own research Dr Soodyall and her team have found that about 50% of the Y chromosomes found in the Lemba and Remba have a Middle Eastern origin. "But the CMH was only found in the South African Lemba. We are presently analysing the data to establish whether the CMH was introduced recently, perhaps from a Jewish ancestor into the Lemba, or whether it was introduced from one of the founders of the Lemba who originated in 'Sena', the presumed homeland of the Lemba," she says.
www.scienceinafrica.co.za...