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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Spider879

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Not to belabour the point but everyone then is formerly African (AFAWKN)! So that means Greeks, Mongols everybody down to your Inuits and Polynesians....are African


Only in the broadest sense of the term everyone is East African.


Then it goes right back to your definition of what makes a person 'African'. You appearing to be saying its time dependent too.




posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Spider879

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Not to belabour the point but everyone then is formerly African (AFAWKN)! So that means Greeks, Mongols everybody down to your Inuits and Polynesians....are African


Only in the broadest sense of the term everyone is East African.


Then it goes right back to your definition of what makes a person 'African'. You appearing to be saying its time dependent too.


Yes Hanslune-san it is also time dependent.. If I am allowed to be antidotal for a quick second, yrs ago when I first visited Australia many a Aussies causally referred to themselves as Australians first and Europeans after as a matter of self I.D but now the whole Euro thing seems to be out the window rather confusing to someone viewing from the outside who had viewed the Aussies as one thing before in only a couple of decade prior seems to be shifting, not even the term White is appreciated in some circles..not that I ever had a problem with someone who self I.D as such but I was told by an Aussie playing for a rugby team in Japan that he doesn't like the term White especially when Americans of any back ground uses it.and he was by no means the only one..American WASP had long drop the Euro thing for sometime and are the most at ease with being just American which is ok I guess but a lot of folks whose ancestors came by the way of Ellis Island in New York..( yes New Jersey.. Ellis Island is ours so bugger off please) still have that duality thing through hyphenation..it is becoming less and less as generation passes and some will tell you that they are just Americans,but like a friend of mine who is deep in his Irish roots from NYC with a French last name to boot will have a bar with an Irish sounding.. name with held..four leaf clovers and green white and orange all over the gattdamn place with leprechauns still straddling the fence somewhat, so What about Blacks especially in the good ole US of A?? many are still tying to find themselves a meaningful Identity that connects them with more than just a color with ancestors in the old world at least try and reconnect the broken strands culturally economically and even politically to Africans if needs be like the descendants of Euros who came through Ellis Island did with kin folks in Europe..so it can be social also.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 05:02 PM
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Hey spider,

There has been a lot of verbal lunge parry and riposte in the contest of semantics in this thread.
But no one seems to have hit the target yet.
The carthagians were a north African people with a caananite derived culture.
Sure the first settlements were built by levantine people but they relied heavily on north African maritime tradition, and by the time of the Punic wars they were a full fledged north African society.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 05:10 PM
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Spider you find th
s of interest


A post on john hawks blog about Latin loan words in Bantu.

johnhawks.net...

And a bit about a Eurasian migration into east Africa about
3000 years ago,

And a east African migration into south Africa
some 1500 years ago.


johnhawks.net...
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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by punkinworks10

Spider you find th
s of interest


A post on john hawks blog about Latin loan words in Bantu.

johnhawks.net...

And a bit about a Eurasian migration into east Africa about
3000 years ago,

And a east African migration into south Africa
some 1500 years ago.


johnhawks.net...
edit on 4-9-2013 by punkinworks10 because: (no reason given)


The above is not surprising given that we knew folks from Yemen settled in Ethiopia and the relatively recent confirmation that the Ba Lemba of southern Africa carries what is known the Cohen gene in % higher than what is found in Israel today..the Ba Lemba claimed they were Jews but were derided as pathetic wanna be.



Almost 2,500 years ago, after the destruction of the Temple, a group of Jews left Judea and settled in Yemen. When the economic situation in Yemen began to fail, the Jews left and moved to Africa; with one group settling in Ethiopia and the other in Tanzania. After several years, many Jews left Ethiopia and moved further south into what today is Zimbabwe. They became known as the Ba-Lemba. Today, there exists a Lemba Cultural Association attempting to bring all the various Lemba communities in South Africa, Mozambique, Ethiopia, and Zimbabwe together
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...





What the Y chromosomes tell

In contrast to mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) which is passed on exclusively from mother to child and is useful in tracing the ancestry of human populations along female lineages, Y chromosomes are found only in males.

"Using mtDNA the Lemba were indistinguishable from other Bantu-speaking groups. However, when my colleague Mandy Spurdle analysed the Y chromosomes in the Lemba, she found that approximately 50% of the Y chromosomes present in the Lemba appeared to be from Semitic (Jewish or Arab) origin. Thirty six per cent was of African origin, and the ancestry of the remaining 14% could not be resolved by the methodology used at the time. This study sparked a great deal of interest among researchers interested in the origins of the 'Black Jews' of South Africa," says Dr Soodyall.



Origins of Y chromosomes in Lemba and Remba.

"A group of researchers at the University College in London recently extended a genetic approach first adopted by our laboratory to resolve the Y chromosome lineages found in the Lemba. These researchers found that a particular Y chromosome combination or haplotype - known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype or CMH - was present in the Lemba at a frequency of about 9%. This haplotype is only found at high frequency in Jewish priests, so this seems to corroborate the Lemba oral history about their origins," explains Dr Soodyall.

In her own research Dr Soodyall and her team have found that about 50% of the Y chromosomes found in the Lemba and Remba have a Middle Eastern origin. "But the CMH was only found in the South African Lemba. We are presently analysing the data to establish whether the CMH was introduced recently, perhaps from a Jewish ancestor into the Lemba, or whether it was introduced from one of the founders of the Lemba who originated in 'Sena', the presumed homeland of the Lemba," she says.
www.scienceinafrica.co.za...


And less we forget also that the East African coast made up part of the great trade network from before the time as the Greeks matter of fact Kemites and others used to shop there and being sailors and traders it's not surprising that they would leave some love child behind.

www.nature.com...
A Latin Bantu language connection while possible it is just as possible that they passed their influence into Latin the Med including North Med was always a hub of trade and contacts.
On a side note it is interesting that the Bantu seem made use of Kemetian prefixes or vice verse Ba or Ta.
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