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Narrator: You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Zone!
People tend to do what is most rewarding. There was a time when having a reputation as a thoughtful, wise, respectful, gentleman was an extremely valuable thing. When "What would your Mother say if she saw you doing that?" was a powerful social argument. Now?
I think you are correct though, putting a little thought into something before posting can go a long way. People used to be civil and respectful, even when arguing. Whatever happened to that?
I agree, but this requires that they must ignore or reject reality. There is nothing more important in this world than an individual and his ultimate fate. To pretend otherwise is either ignorance or a willful disregard for humanity.
Some people don't see people online as 'real' thinking human beings. So they treat them as they see, letters on a computer screen.
Excellent point. Thanks again for adding to the discussion.
They're self worth is obviously low or they wouldn't feel the need to belittle another human being. The problem with their line of 'work' is that it leads to more self hatred and more self esteem issues until they end up saying something completely and utterly devastating to someone, making them commit suicide.
Yeah, I know. My sincere sympathy.
I've been attacked many times for my, albeit, crazy worldview. But personal insults flow freely and it hurts, it really does.....
Further proof of the doctrine of Original Sin and the need for Mankind to be redeemed.
People will be people I suppose.
Do you think that this hatred might be based in fear? The fear that we might learn we're not as smart as we thought, therefore not as good as we thought? I don't happen to have that feeling myself, but it's certainly possible. But why would that cause the hatred? I would think, as you say, that it would result in the "justification of apathy." Running away from any situation that might present new knowledge or people.
I think a lot of it stems from not wanting to learn anything new. Its scary to not just admit we dont know much, but to truly recognize that and understand it is almost an entirely different "thing."
I agree, but if we identify a source of the problem, doesn't that open up an approach on how to change it? How do we raise someone's self-esteem without using a cheap, meaningless gimmick (a participation trophy, so to speak) that anyone can see through?
I think the only way to change it is to change ourselves though.
The position I believe some are taking is "I want to feel good, I want it now and all the time, and it's my right." The desire to feel good, I think, is where the low self-esteem comes in. They feel bad about themselves and want to change that feeling. Unfortunately they often choose bad ways to do it.
I quite agree. When the benefits of doing something are greater than the costs, we tend to do it. The internet lowers the cost of being rude or hateful, so more people do it.
Honestly, I think it's just the nature of the internet. A lot of factors crucial to constructive communication are absent over the internet. Subtle ques like body language, tone of voice, eye contact, etc are completely absent. Because of these factors, I think it is easier for a person to "lash out" against someone else on the internet because communication errors are easy to make. . . . You are far more likely to call someone an idiot over the internet than in person (where you could potentially face the consequence of getting your clock cleaned or worse).
Do you think it is possible to teach positive coping mechanisms? Could other posters or management do it? And, as an aside, what do people have to cope with? Differing opinions? Or is it hopeless because:
As for why some people are constantly negative and feel the need to tear others down on the internet, I think self worth could be one part of it, but not having positive coping mechanisms is another.
It's just human nature, and while the behavior shouldn't be excused, it should be expected if you are on the internet at all.
You're right again, and that's a big reason why I try to keep my reputaion as clean as possible. I want to have conversations with people, but if I get known as a rabid hater, those conversations won't happen.
These sorts of topics are usually reserved for people you know personally whom you've already established a certain degree of trust with. That can go a long way towards facilitating constructive communication.
This, plus the rest of your post, indicates to me that the place to stop this cycle is before children become teenagers. Is that what you're thinking? If so, what tools do we have available to stop it? And here, I'm a little discouraged. We don't have nearly universal two-parent homes anymore, schools don't teach behavior or ethics, churches are ridiculed or ignored, the government tries to put "anti-bullying" laws in place, but they seem to be useless at best or even counter-productive.
. . . Most of us have been bullied or at least made to feel inferior by the unfeeling comments of others at some time in our early lives. . . . Unfortunately there are others who have allowed the feelings to fester and carry with them feelings of low self-esteem well into adulthood, sometimes for their entire lives.
So, perhaps, we're afraid to get involved? Afraid that if we try to help an angry dog, he'll chew our arm off? Is that why we need the martyr, to sacrifice himself for others?
We don't offer the help or advice we know we should give freely because then our passive observation becomes a personal, self reflective action. God forbid we look in the mirror and realise we're all unhappy, and if only a little more human contact and compassion was thrown our way, maybe we'd all be better off.
I really like this paragraph, there's a lot there. Thanks.
The world's an increasingly isolated place, and I fear that people will say anything to be noticed, the consequences be damned. Isolation does horrendous things to the psyche of a vulnerable human population. One is desensitization to violence because the empathy needed to 'relate' isn't there. Maybe that's the problem too?
Let me get a little mystic for a second. The power that they're grabbing always seems to be the power to destroy - lives, feelings, peace, whatever is good. Each of us, as you say, has the power of accepting martyrdom, or servanthood, to rebuild damaged lives. That is real power. The power the world offers is empty or destructive.
Power always works from behind a curtain, maybe this is people's way of 'grabbing power' from a world that offers them none.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by 74Templar
Glad to meet you. I suspect you have a lot to teach me, comment any time you'd like.
Do you think we are at the stage where, on ATS, and perhaps the world, the "sane" people have to avoid the "mad dogs?" What would be the result of that? Would the "dogs" hunt down the "people" one by one as society keeps creating "dogs?" Or would the "people" gain strength from each other and go forth to conquer?
Sorry for the questions, but I am curious. Do you see a role for the martyrs mentioned earlier in the thread, or is that a suicide mission?
I have no idea how to avoid ruffling the feathers of people. Oh, I can avoid the obvious stuff, but there's a lot of biting the tongue and rewording involved. Is that simply the price we pay for being "people" instead of "dogs?"
The problem I see with the solution is, it takes a martyr. A martyr that's going to be ridiculed and passed off as weak and needy. This martyr will play to all our subconscious minds, cut us deep, but will be alone, desperately so - this given that everyone hates a mirror. Until people can, as you say, revert to this dictum that mothers know best and family ties count, we're not going to see much change.