Weaponized Drones, and Foreign Planes on American Soil?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

Manned aircraft crash too though. Sometimes more than the UAVs do.

That's the pilots gorram job,
don't play me for a fool.
They should do their walk around,
and they should have a very good relationship
with their ground crew. But you know all this.

And most importantly, a pilot can be put on the stand
and cross examined. But when a drone does something
bad all-of-a-sudden there is nobody in the room.


Mike

Drone strikes were halted in November 2011 after NATO forces killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in the Salala incident

wikipedia / salala incident

If they are not safe enough for Pakistan,
they are definitely not safe enough for US airspace.

To hell with drones.


Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy


You can do the best walk around ever, and have the best ground crew in the world, that have checked everything out to a faretheewell, and guess what, you still crash. Someone makes a mistake, or there's a flaw in an engine fan blade that no one could see without tearing the engine down, and examining it with a microscope, etc. The point is that things happen, to both manned, and unmanned aircraft. It doesn't matter if there's a pilot in it or not, as far as accidents go.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

You can do the best walk around ever, and have the best ground crew in the world, that have checked everything out to a faretheewell, and guess what, you still crash. Someone makes a mistake, or there's a flaw in an engine fan blade that no one could see without tearing the engine down, and examining it with a microscope, etc. The point is that things happen, to both manned, and unmanned aircraft. It doesn't matter if there's a pilot in it or not, as far as accidents go.

If you were really concerned about pilot safety
we would be talking about these new airplane parachutes.
Wouldn't we.


Mike

When it comes to saving lives... this is probably the most wonderful of all inventions and Popov can certainly be proud of this achievement.

One can only imagine too, how many hundreds of lives can be saved if he cracks a 'chute' designed to save something the size of the new A380... !

Here's to all those who said it couldn't be done.

reply to post by mikegrouchy


I always worried about pilot safety, but military planes won't ever see those parachutes. There is always the chance of accidental deployment, as well as the fact that you'd have to have a big parachute for something like an F-15 (which is a huge aircraft for a fighter), and that means a lot of extra weight, which means less fuel, fewer weapons, etc.

All pilots should really be on the "all drones should be destroyed at birth side"
of the debate. You don't want to be replaced by a robot, or some guy in a
trailer with a joystick, we don't want you to be replaced, and we want you
guys to be inside everything authority is doing.


Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy


I don't want to see pilots replaced, but unfortunately, it's the way it's going to go. It's going to be many years before we see an air to air engagement between UAVs, but with the cost savings, and the fact that if they lose one, the pilot gets out of his chair and goes for coffee, instead of possibly dying with his airplane, they're going to be here for years to come.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

I always worried about pilot safety, but military planes won't ever see those parachutes. There is always the chance of accidental deployment, as well as the fact that you'd have to have a big parachute for something like an F-15 (which is a huge aircraft for a fighter), and that means a lot of extra weight, which means less fuel, fewer weapons, etc.

lol

Describing combat conditions... um...

that's not really gonna help the argument
when we are talking about drones over civilian airspace.

And you know, just as well as I do, the F-15 has
had ejection seats for decades.


Mike

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

I don't want to see pilots replaced, [color=gold] but unfortunately, it's the way it's going to go. It's going to be many years before we see an air to air engagement between UAVs, but with the cost savings, and the fact that if they lose one, the pilot gets out of his chair and goes for coffee, instead of possibly dying with his airplane, they're going to be here for years to come.

NO! It's NOT!

Put your gorram foot down.

They killed the dream of space for Americans.
Now you are just gonna roll over and let them take
they skys away as well. Sweet square dancing Jesus.

If it comes down to some inevitable future air war
where the unmanned vehicles can pull g-forces that
no pilot can meet, even then I want to see a Moma-Plane
up there with a human pilot sheepherding the swarm.

But that chit should NEVER happen in the airspace over my
home country. And you shouldn't want it too. And none of
your pilot buddies should let it either, if they have any vision.


Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy


Yes, the F-15 has had ejection seats, but pilots still died. And pilots were still seriously injured. Ejecting is a traumatic event to the human body, and some pilots have ended up several inches shorter afterwards.

Originally posted by Zaphod58

and some pilots have ended up several inches shorter afterwards.

Omg, I can not believe you got me to laugh at that.
That is not funny.
You caught me by surprise.

Well, it was funny at first,
until I really started to think about what
"several inches shorter" would mean.
/owch

But still.
NO Drones.
The sky belongs to people.

And if that chit isn't safe for people,
then it's doubly negligent to fill the air
over civilian airspace with the same dodgy stuff
that is unmanned. With no pilot to say "Hell no!"
Commanders under pressure will start to put
any piece of junk up for a priority mission.

And you know as well as I do, that after the
roll out is over, and the new wears off,
we get stuck with old stuff for a long time.

/hrumph

Mike