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Weaponized Drones, and Foreign Planes on American Soil?

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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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Weaponized Drones, and Foreign Planes on American Soil?


www.activistpost.com

As the Concept of Operations report notes, CBP’s goal is that its drone data will be “persistently available” (p. 21) and interoperable (p. 29) — not just within CBP, but to other agencies, and also possibly to other countries. CBP plans that its “UAS will provide assured monitoring of entities along land borders, inland seas, littorals and high seas with sufficient frequency, continuity, accuracy, spectral diversity, and data content to produce actionable information. (p. 29) [emphasis added, source]
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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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I did a search of this topic and only found reports from 2012.

I changed the article to included "foreign planes" because at the same time that the government is making excuses to use drones for daily use in the U.S., there are also agreements to allow the Russian military monitoring using at least one Tu-154M Lk-1 plane in U.S. and Canadian soil, as well as exchanges of "experts" in emergency management.

In the original link you will even find a video of a former drone operator confessing how he had gotten used to devaluing human life, and states that he pretty much felt like a sociopath.



In the video, even though he says he became disgusted, you see the drone operator smiling when the reporter tells him "so he loses his heat. You watched him die".

Now imagine other drone operators, but still having no respect for life and just following orders, patrolling U.S. cities.

In other threads and posts we have noted how government officials, and even quite a few law enforcement officers have lost all respect to individual rights/people's rights.

Not only that, but the government has been giving more and more excuses to "arm" these drones, and not just with "non-lethal weapons" but their arsenal now includes, and I quote:

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It was highlighted in 2011 that Homeland Security awarded a $300,00 grant to Texas law enforcement for Shadowhawk micro drones that could be equipped with, "taser batons, 37mm or 40mm grenade launchers or with 12 gauge shotgun rounds. Precision mini munitions could be added later to its threatening arsenal."
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Excerpted from original link.

People should also note the fact that as the article states "collateral damage" does occur even with such "precision mini munitions".

There is also the fact that the U.S. government is allowing foreign military, such as the Russians, to "conduct observation flights on a Tu-154M Lk-1 plane over the United States and Canada in the framework of the international Open Skies Treaty."


8 July, 14:46

Russian plane to conduct observation flights over US, Canada

A group of Russian inspectors will conduct observation flights on a Tu-154M Lk-1 plane over the United States and Canada in the framework of the international Open Skies Treaty, the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“The flights will be carried out on July 7-21 from Open Skies airfield Elmendorf [the US] and Trenton [Canada],” the press office said.
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english.ruvr.ru...

IMO, this all also ties in with other reports that the U.S. government is also allowing more foreign troops to conduct exercises in U.S. soil to include, and I quote:


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Russian troops on American soil are supposedly only here to offer “assistance” to FEMA during emergencies and disasters. According to media reports, 15,000 Russian troops have been requested by the Obama administration for this “training” exercise on American soil.

Russian troops began carrying out joint anti-terrorism drills in America last May. US Defense Press Officer Commander Wendy L. Snyder had this to say about the Russian soldiers on US military bases:

This is part of a formal bilateral exchange program between the US and Russia that seeks to develop transparency and promote defense reform.
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www.offthegridnews.com...

Foreign troops being used in "shtf" scenarios means that these troops have no knowledge or respect for the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights within it, and it means more military, including foreign military, being used in large numbers for "terrorism exercises which include "emergency management".

Although there are sources that claim that there will be no exchange of personnel, what the actual agreements state is and I quote:


Several documents signed during joint work of Russian Emergency Ministry and FEMA

The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry and the USA Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) are going to exchange experts during joint rescue operations in major disasters. This is provided by a protocol of the fourth meeting of the U.S.-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission Working Group on Emergency Situations and seventeenth meeting of Joint U.S.-Russia Cooperation Committee on Emergency Situations, which took place in Washington on 25 June.
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en.mchs.ru...

Kind of a "broad' definition on "exchanging experts" isn't? Soldiers are experts after all in emergency management.



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edit on 9-7-2013 by ElectricUniverse because: add comments and to correct errors.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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Well why not its a cheaper way for bloodletting and from time to time the occasional spying. Or is it the other way around?!
No, no I'm sure i got it right.

Besides what's the point in addressing this if the American people don't care that judges are being spied on and coerced into ruling on important draconian legislature.

Oh did I say that out loud?
phew.....nope just Internet drivel. What harm can that do?


Thanks for sharing just the same.
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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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Open Skies has been going on for decades. The current incarnation of the treaty has been active since 2002 (after being signed in 1992), and has 34 signatories. We fly our aircraft over Russia, and they fly their aircraft over us. It's a safe way to monitor what's going on with each others military.

As for the "more troops" we've had foreign troops training on US soil since WWII. The US has the most realistic training in the world in Red Flag, Red Flag Alaska, and Green Flag, just to name three.
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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:56 PM
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Yes but drones? Really? Couldn't something stupid like a frequency jam cause some international crisis?

Or even done so by our government to lay blame on someone else.. I wouldn't want to give the US free ammo for a false flag.

It was the drone that we flew there. It wasn't me.
This was the path that I took there. It wasn't me.
This is the story of our drone that was flying over the country next door.
Picture this, we were both butt naked....wait wrong song.

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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
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As for the "more troops" we've had foreign troops training on US soil since WWII. The US has the most realistic training in the world in Red Flag, Red Flag Alaska, and Green Flag, just to name three.
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I know that the U.S. military has been helping in the training of foreign troops for a long time, I was in the military myself, but this has expanded to include "management of civilian emergencies", and including the use of "foreign military experts" in U.S. soil.

As for "drones" being used for pretty much "civilian monitoring" this is also getting out of hand.

There is a big difference in foreign military training in the U.S. for "military exercises" and something else to use "foreign military experts" in what should be "civilian matters".


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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:00 PM
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It depends on the type being used. If they're small ones like Raven, or the smaller ones, then no. If they're larger ones, it depends. If they're being used autonomously, then probably not. If they're being hand flown, then possibly.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:01 PM
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Except that they're not being trained to handle emergencies in the US. The US and Russia are trading experience with emergency situations. They're not going to use foreign troops. They're going to be sending experts back and forth, to teach how they handled situations in their own country.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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Except as I stated, there is a "broad" definition on what sort of "experts" they will be exchanging, and also what sort of "major disasters" and "mass events" these foreign experts will be used.

In both the U.S. and Russia the military have been used for "emergency disasters". Or are you going to say this is not true?


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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:19 PM
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The Working Group’s second annual meeting took place in Boston in July 2011. The co-chairs agreed to a 2011-2013 work plan and experts discussed a whole-community approach to disaster preparedness and response. They also held a panel discussion on lessons learned from recent international disaster responses, including the Haiti earthquake of 2010 and the Japan earthquake and tsunami of 2011. In addition, the Working Group discussed experiences from the 2010 Russian wildfires as well as current trends and opportunities for cooperation in the field of mass transportation security. In September 2011, EMERCOM participated in the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) meeting of the Emergency Preparedness Working Group, hosted by the United States in San Francisco on the sidelines of the APEC Forum of Senior Emergency Response Officials.

The Working Group’s biggest achievement in 2011 was EMERCOM’s Air-Mobile Search and Rescue team earning the highest classification of the United Nation’s International Search and Rescue Advisory Group (INSARAG). The Working Group supported EMERCOM’s efforts with site visits to Fairfax County’s Search and Rescue Team, a table-top exercise in Moscow to compare search-and-rescue tactics, and regular consultations with USAID and other U.S. and international disaster response officials. This mutually beneficial work allowed Russian and American rescue teams to learn from each other. In June and July 2011, EMERCOM hosted an international team of disaster relief specialists to observe and assess their live field exercises and disaster relief simulations. With this new INSARAG classification, Russia is now better able to coordinate disaster assistance with other global responders, and is recognized internationally as having state-of-the-art procedures and practices.

The Working Group marked other milestones in 2011 and consistently provided a platform for joint participation on multilateral and international levels. In May 2011, EMERCOM experts participated in U.S. nation level exercises in the central states of the United States focused on the response to a simulated devastating earthquake. In late summer, both FEMA and EMERCOM sent representatives to observe the NATO Civil Emergency Preparedness Exercise “CODRII 2011” in Moldova. This exercise was organized by NATO’s Euro-Atlantic Disaster Response Coordination Center and involved a simulated earthquake with resulting victims, damage to critical infrastructure, chemical accidents, and a radiological incident.

www.state.gov...

They're providing training for each other. Some of the US Search and Rescue teams have a lot more experience than Russian teams, so they're doing exercises with each other (mostly table top) as well as sending observers to watch the US teams train.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:29 PM
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IS-75: Military Resources in Emergency Management

Course Date

2/25/2011

Course Overview


The purpose of the IS-75 Military Resources in Emergency Management course is to provide participants with an overview of U.S. military resources potentially available to assist civilian authorities, and procedures for obtaining and integrating military resources into disaster response and recovery operations.
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training.fema.gov...


But, there will be no use of military for "emergency management"? Is not like we have caught the U.S., and Russian governments lying about their intentions right? And it's not like other "emergency management documents" in the U.S., and Russia do in fact state the use of military resources "in emergency management".

Heck, and it's not like the U.S. government will be using military drones, and even armed drones, to monitor parts of the U.S. that are highly populated.


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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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Don't worry folks, it is all "only a drill"...



People are being indoctrinated into accepting more and more military presence in our streets.

To me, and probably other members, it is obvious that the U.S. government and others like the Russians are preparing for some major events, and it is working on making a lot of people think this is "just normal". Maybe those events include the "only delayed" economic crash followed by more than possible riots?


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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

IS-75: Military Resources in Emergency Management

Course Date

2/25/2011

Course Overview


The purpose of the IS-75 Military Resources in Emergency Management course is to provide participants with an overview of U.S. military resources potentially available to assist civilian authorities, and procedures for obtaining and integrating military resources into disaster response and recovery operations.
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training.fema.gov...


But, there will be no use of military for "emergency management"? ...


The military have forces and policies to deal with helping civilian authorities in emergencies so I'm not sure what you mean by this.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

The military have forces and policies to deal with helping civilian authorities in emergencies so I'm not sure what you mean by this.


That was as part of a response to Zaphod58 who is implying foreign military will not be used for emergencies when the documents provide "broad definitions", which despite the claims by some, do not exclude the use of foreign military personnel in civilian emergencies in both the U.S. or Russia, among others.

This is also in context with the fact that the Russian military is being allowed to monitor our own military installations, and that the U.S. government is making more and more excuses to arm, and use military drones for civilian use.

BTW, you don't arm drones that will be used only for "monitoring certain populated areas in the U.S." just to "monitor".

According to our own laws, posse comitatus among others, our own Armed Forces (except the National Guard) shouldn't be used to enforce state laws, yet we see the contrary happening more and more.

We are seeing more and more use of military personnel training, and in overall showing more military presence in civilian areas with more and more frequency. This imo is a clear sign that people are being indoctrinated into thinking "it is just normal to see these military exercises" and "military presence" in our streets, when it is not normal and should not be happening.

It is not just one event, we have to look at every similar event where we are seeing the U.S. government using not only our own military, but "foreign experts" which include military personnel to monitor both certain military and civilian activity in the U.S.


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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 12:27 AM
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Electric, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Zaphod is correct. There will never be a day when some Russian military dude tells me to stop my car in Indiana with a gun in his hand. You are paranoid and out of touch with the real intention of this agreement which is to help civilian disasters on a global scale END OF STORY



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 01:19 AM
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Russians are scurmishers,think how many lives could have been saved at Beslan if they had had DELTA or SAS level hostage rescue training.
I am not afraid of ANY foreign troops attempting to enforce a martial law at all.They won't hold squat after the first shot and we'll get their equipment.I hope they send the French would LOVE a VBL.
I am afraid of American troops because it would destroy a part of my soul to kill them.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 06:31 AM
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The US military has been used repeatedly in disasters on the US, without foreign aid for years, and will continue to do do. But don't you think it'd be nice to have a coordinated response the next time a tsunami hits somewhere?



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
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It depends on the type being used. If they're small ones like Raven, or the smaller ones, then no. If they're larger ones, it depends. If they're being used autonomously, then probably not. If they're being hand flown, then possibly.


So like how about one this size?

The Navy will attempt to land a drone the size of a fighter jet aboard an aircraft carrier for the first time Wednesday, showcasing the military's capability to have a computer program perform one of the most difficult tasks a pilot is asked to do.

news.yahoo.com...



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:38 AM
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That is one of the larger ones, that operates mostly autonomously. It could, if it was going to be used in the role they are planning, but then if they fly it autonomously, it would be much harder to hack.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

This is also in context with the fact that the Russian military is being allowed to monitor our own military installations, and that the U.S. government is making more and more excuses to arm, and use military drones for civilian use.


You left out the part where the US is also monitoring Russian bases. So are the Canadians, and 32 other countries (who are also being monitored by the Russians). This has been going on for years. It was first proposed in the 1950s, or 1960s, but didn't officially start until more recently. I can remember seeing a C-135 come in, several times, painted white and grey, with a light blue "OPEN SKIES" across the tail, in place of a base name.

1997:


In fact in May 2012, the Russian Open Skies aircraft crashed in the Czech Republic while on a routine observation mission.




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