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While it wasn't forced, it sounds like the doctors did sort of pressure the women into doing it.
I see your point. Think about this though, if these women actually wanted the procedure (they may have), and the state wouldn’t provide it, we’d be hearing about how California denies inmates medical procedures.
If we were going to sterilize someone, who would really be the best people to target??
Criminals with 5 kids are the best target.
Of course, I vehemently oppose such practices.
I see your point. Think about this though, if these women actually wanted the procedure (they may have), and the state wouldn’t provide it, we’d be hearing about how California denies inmates medical procedures.
I hate to agree on this point(not because ghost375 has the opinion), but some people should not have children, not from a eugenics standpoint, but because they will fail in being good parents. Repeat criminals fall into this category, IMO. It is a shame, because we don't know how many possible 'Einsteins' may have been ruined by hideous parenting.
But I am not saying that we need forced sterilization of repeat convicts.
Having said that, let’s not pretend there is forced sterilization going on in California prisoners or anywhere else on US soil. That is not what this story says….at all.
Originally posted by Onslaught2996
I have been viewing this site for years and of course the right have no problem with anything considered morally wrong.
All they see is, less dark skinned babies growing up to be scary dark adults.
That's right.
I found no actual coercion noted in the stories linked.
I wonder if anyone thought of giving them an incentive? As in a shortened sentence if they submitted to sterilization? It is still walking a very fine line, but I would be good with it!
Originally posted by Onslaught2996
reply to post by seabag
Abortion but are you against the death penalty. I'm guessing not and of course you do not see the hypocrisy in that.
You cannot scream that all life is sacred and then ask for the death of people you deemed unworthy. Life is life, no matter what you think.
Originally posted by Onslaught2996
I have been viewing this site for years and of course the right have no problem with anything considered morally wrong.
All they see is, less dark skinned babies growing up to be scary dark adults.
If an inmate has 5-7 children and is still a repeat offender, how does sterilizing mom help the innocent children she already has? What is the point that beyond which a criminal is having too many children? Three? Four? Who decides that? Incompetent parenting happens in all socioeconomic levels, so why not go after the white collar inmates? What sorts of crimes qualify you for targeted sterilization? I understand, but not necessarily agree with, the argument that this reduces the burden placed on states for welfare assistance, but this is a really blurry and dangerous area to be heading (IMO).
At year-end 2007 the United States had less than 5% of the world's population[31] and 23.4% of the world's prison and jail population (adult inmates).[9]
Originally posted by TheMagus
reply to post by RalagaNarHallas
proof positive that eugenicists still exist
and need to be flushed out of the gene-pool, post haste
Originally posted by seabag
Originally posted by TheMagus
reply to post by RalagaNarHallas
proof positive that eugenicists still exist
and need to be flushed out of the gene-pool, post haste
What proof?
Will you please present it because I've seen none and I read the same article you did.
Thanks in advance!
edit on 7-7-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)