Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by AussieDingus
Aren't the people supposed to determine the Prime Minister by public vote ?
Not under the Westminster system Australia runs under. You vote for someone in your electorate, the elected members of the party that win the most
seats then vote for a PM. The voting public have no say at all.
A true democracy is based on what democracy stands for. Open and fair elections. The majority deciding the outcome of a vote. Did either of
these 2 things happen with our last 2 Prime Ministers ?
Yes, remember the public have no direct say in who is PM, that is up to the elected members.
I am aware of this, but what I'm saying is that its the politicians that shove this rubbish down our throat and that our vote counts, when our own
system proves that our vote doesn't count. The same politicians that tell us we live in a democratic country.
But we get John Howard winning because he did a last minute back flip and agreed to take the One Nation votes, which got him and Liberal over the
line. Then we have Julia Gillard going against the public vote and doing back door deals to over throw Rudd. Now we have Rudd coming back in by using
Gillards very trick back against her. If anyone in this country still thinks that we are a democracy with these blatant examples is not only ignorant,
but borderline deluded !
The fact that we vote for a party, and not its leader should be yet another clear example of how corrupted our system is. So basically, our system is,
pick one of two parties [two-party preferred system]. Don't worry about who the leader is or what their policies are, just pick the winning team and
everything will be fine. It is the leader of a political party that is putting their name to the policies. The policies are not of a party, they are
of the leader of the party [and their advisor's].
Use last night as an example. How can anyone say that Labour have policies, with all the infighting and back stabbing that has been going on. Labour
policies according to which Labour candidate ? Rudd and Gillard have different approaches and different view points, so how can anyone say that Rudd
and Gillard were putting forward labour's policies. And this is why we should be voting for the leader, not the party, and then holding that leader
responsible for his/her policies. Why do you think its so easy for politicians these days to just make all these policies and then do a back flip when
it suits then, or have no intentions of ever bringing those policies into action once elected. People make up all political parties, and those people
should be individually voted in by the majority, and their personal policies held to account.
A political party is nothing more than a registered party on a piece of paper. Its the people in those parties who then bring that party into
existence. Therefore, it should be them, and their policies that get voted for or against. Surely that has to better than our current system of, toss
a coin and hope you picked the winning party. And when most people approach politics like its a sporting game, then no wonder the politicians are
lining up for a ride of the taxpayer funded gravy train.
And as a final insult, Gillard, now as a former PM, gets to resign on $1,000,000+ a year in super. Not bad considering the effort she put into
attacking our much less super while in power. Gillard retires into the sunset and laughing all the way to the bank, while we're left to pick up the
pieces, again !
And what good is voting for a political party, when behind the scenes its all one big party taking turns from the tax payer provided trough. There are
no parties, the left props up the right, and the right props up the left and they feed off each other all the while playing the game against the
people, but furthering their own careers and topping up their over the top Superannuation. It doesn't matter what mess their party left behind
because they retire on a Superannuation that will give them the good life after politics. Not to mention all the contacts in high places that they now
have if they want to set up their own business with the inside knowledge of the corporate/government world.
And in closing, no true Democratic country would every force its citizens to vote, and fine them for not voting. If you aren't happy with the
candidates policies, then in a free, or democratic country, you should have the OPTION of not voting, instead of our current system of forcing people
to vote and choosing the lesser of two evils. This is why we should be voting for the party leader, so we can then vote on that leaders policies and
hold them accountable for breaking those policies. Which is the opposite to how we operate today !