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a) He is super-organized, for a whistleblower, in terms of what candidates, the White House, the State Dept. et al call ‘message discipline.’
b) In the Greenwald video interview, I was concerned about the way Snowden conveys his message. He is not struggling for words, or thinking hard, as even bright, articulate whistleblowers under stress will do. Rather he appears to be transmitting whole paragraphs smoothly, without stumbling.
d) It is actually in the Police State’s interest to let everyone know that everything you write or say everywhere is being surveilled, and that awful things happen to people who challenge this.
f) Snowden is in Hong Kong, which has close ties to the UK, which has done the US’s bidding with other famous leakers such as Assange.
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Someone has an agenda behind this thing.
But who has the most to gain? I suppose that would be a place to start!
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by derfreebie
"...Snowden has everything to loose..."
Do people care about what is happening as a whole, or are they more focused on the Reality TV aspect of the case. Are people asking their government, "What the hell is going on!?" or are they turning on CNN to see whether or not Snowden will reunite with his girlfriend, 'did he make it out of Russia?' and is on 1 of 5 planes he reportedly took.
Originally posted by InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by MystikMushroom
Can't claim to know. But, the CIA budget was cut $4B while the NSA budget for more spying was increased $4B.
Maybe they are going after each other. I can't claim that idea myself. I guy named Jon Rappoport wrote it in his blog.
I was tending to go with China as the facilitator but I believe he would have stayed in China if that was the case. I doubt he'll stay in Russia either.
Some things still don't add up.
Originally posted by madmac5150
There are really only two ways this will end.
1. No prolonged public outrage over the NSA's activities. It gets blown over and TPTB become further emboldened to do whatever the hell they want.
2. Outrage forces the NSA to disband or fundamentally change how they operate. "Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain" as an agency even more nefarious picks up where the now impotent NSA leaves off.
If Snowden is a plant, he will get paid and disappear. If not... he'll just disappear.
I know a lot of people don't like to get into the Biblical study or whatever, but I just have to point a couple things out. The Bible is basically a to-do-list for the elite.
Originally posted by yenru
Personally I think Snowden is about the same matter as the fake terrorist attacks were in America, such as the Boston Bombings and even the James Holmes case... and remember, this is my opinion, I'm an individual who has learned my own ways and so forth.
I'm sorry if this is off-topic, or something, but I really need to say this. I also am not good with making my words connect well so i hope it makes enough sense that you can gather some idea out of it.
There's a lot of things happening in the world, a lot of events. And I know a lot of people don't like to get into the Biblical study or whatever, but I just have to point a couple things out. The Bible is basically a to-do-list for the elite. And they have played it well but a lot of bad things are soon to happen. For one, the bible was written by someone else and not who you think actually did it, I'm quite & almost certain. These people who rule us basically know everything already, they've been to the past and they've been to the future. You can call them the Illuminati you can call them Freemasons or Masons, whatever you call them they're still there and these things are soon to play out. They wrote the bible. The whole thing. The anti-christ is very realistic. The anti-christ is similar to Satan if not portrayed as Satan or whichever in the bible. Obama could be strongly considered as this:
"...and I saw Satan fall like lightning..." ;from the bible.
1) Barack; baw-rawk’
Lightning; by analogy a gleam; concretely a flashing sword: - bright, glitter (-ing, sword), lightning.
2) BAMA; bâmâh
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation: - height, high place, wave, powerful.
P.S; the only way, a Jewish Rabbi can say in hebrew that Satan is Lightning is by saying "Satan Barack"
I honestly believe that all the good things that have happened this month, aka LGBT Rights, Obama wanting to cut-down Carbon Emissions to help global warming pass, the new Free Abortion...and more, is a way to make the public fall in love, with Obama. And it is said that in the bible the there is a false prophet, and there we have it, Obama is the false prophet and he is exploiting all these lies and goodness and they're all falling in love with him and he's trying to make peace with other countries and all these things, is a way to keep the public occupied.
So when the s#t does hit the fan, these people won't even expect it. ..
They'll be dummified. And what does Snowden have to do with this? Well he could easily be the target for starting much controversy, people would become frightened and they'll start to deny deny and protest and deny more, OR, the people won't care cause they're too lazy or they'll actually just fall for the NSA survailence because they "just love obama so much"....
I really believe it's a plot, and i feel something bad will happen soon. this comment may not make through, though i hope it does at least something..
If any of you have some type of debate or even information against or with this, that'd be cool. This is also my first day signing up yo waddup ....i also believe no religion. I'm a hermit, but I really think the ideas above play out well. minus the part with Snowden in the end, I kinda lost myself and didn't remember where i was going really... Basically snowden is a plot. perhaps he is the bad with the good that obama is preaching, everything has to stay neutral, so. i'm not sure, oh well. BUT! ;
Throw in a few terrorist attacks, upgrade security measures, make it legal so no one can get mad, watch everyone “legally without consent" secretly, put up the target who’s trying to fight against it, make that target exploit classified information, make the target make the information go globally viral, let the people find out about it and freak out from fear, put in NWO into place, let thousands die from protests, take control over the “chaotic attitudes" of the people, place in false flag event to rid of the rest who still stand, keep minimum of few people so it is easier to rule next time.
edit on 26-6-2013 by yenru because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CAPT PROTON
I don't buy the Snowden story. Geeky dude with hot girlfriend, who lives in dreamy Hawaii, making good money and is suddenly stricken with a need to escape and tell the world that they're being spied upon. Umm what???
It just sounds like a stupid Hollywood plot. Admit it. Plus lets add the fact that this dude is given incredible air time to get his story out. I'm sorry, if it was so secret, agents in the area would have been summoned to Swoop this guy before he could talk anymore. End of story. But really he's allowed to hang around and talk while they go through the drill of getting an extradition arrangement for him. And then somehow he magically disappears on a plane to somewhere. Lame.
So the US has this secret bad-ass spy program that can tell you anything, yet agents on the ground are like slow as molasses keystone cops.
The story doesn't pass the smell test. They should fire their writers. But I'm sure this plays like a blockbuster in foreign markets much like lousy british sci-fi, sorry guys, stick to comedy.