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Originally posted by TheRedneck
The one thing that sets achievers apart from non-achievers is education.
Poverty can exist alongside hope. The problem is when there is no hope for a future outside of poverty.
People try when they have hope for a better future, and we have finally taken that away.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
That's what has me up in arms over this... at least Alabama is trying to fix the problem by making schools accountable for bad results. But the Federal government is stepping up and declaring that they can't do that. We're stuck with the same old failing system... and we can't even try to fix it.
This is where your argument begins to fall apart. You claim that white people are being forced to stay in failing schools. These remarks are inflamatory and incorrect based on the statistics.
Why are the schools accountable for this?
Surely if evidence points to poverty being a major cause and schools just happen to be in a poor neighbourhood then we're just making those schools worse as learning environments. From what has been described of America, I'm not sure that schools have a huge amount of control over the quality of their students, and the good teachers may be leaving to avoid handling the stress?
Source: Time Magazine
Tenure — and by extension the academic freedom it confers — at times becomes all-purpose non-conformist insurance. In 1999, six professors from various Virginia colleges and universities sued the state alleging that a ban on accessing pornography from state computers infringed on their academic freedom. Ridiculous, sure. But illustrative. Academic freedom is supposed to be about serious inquiry within a discipline, critics argue, not a blanket ability to do what one pleases in the name of scholarship.
Yet while jettisoning tenure has intuitive appeal, the proponents have some points, too: subtle or overt retaliation for academic or political views out of the mainstream does happen. Besides, good administrators can navigate around tenure to build effective academic departments. Good administration can also ensure that tenure is a meaningful bar — especially in a labor market where the supply of academics often far outstrips demand at universities.
It appears to me as if Alabama may well be redistributing the problem rather than fixing it? What happens when the schools get so bad that no one wants to be at them?
Originally posted by polarwarrior
reply to post by TheRedneck
Maybe if these black schools weren't underfunded then the kids wouldn't want to leave them in the first place, seems to me like most of the kids affected are the poor black kids stuck there as they outnumber the few whites who are rich enough to leave.
edit on 18/6/13 by polarwarrior because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Shiloh7
It annoys me when we still put ourselves into separate boxes and wail 'my roots, my roots!' There comes a time when this attitude doesn't help anyone and in education we are in danger of loosing our best students.
Originally posted by kimish
The schools are failing because the students are rowdy and are disrespectful to the teachers. Trust me, two of my friends are full time teachers in inner city schools. The children are worse in those city schools then in the county schools. Also, there are too many students per teacher for the teaching to be effective. ANd I'm not going to get into the standardized testing... In order for the schools to get better, things need to change at home ie. parents need to be more involved in their lives and the "culture" of learning isn't masculine or that learning is for pussies or that smart kids are push overs needs to stop.edit on 18-6-2013 by kimish because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NihilistSanta
Interesting topic OP. This reminded me of an ongoing issue in Cleveland, MS where the government is forcing further desegregation. People think these issues are black and white but there is a gray area to it. If a black child wanted to attend a white school and was denied based on demographics or race then I would call that discrimination but if schools due to population tend to favor one race over another unintentionally I don't see this as being a racist issue.
Cleveland, MS - WSJ
I for one know from experience that messing with school districts can mess someone up. I moved a lot as a child and went to 11 elementary schools before 4th grade. After 4th grade things really changed for me and I managed to keep the same group of friends until 6th grade when lines were redrawn and I had to attend a school with almost no one I knew and then they redrew the lines again 2 years later forcing me to go to High school with people I did not know and I had to switch back. The bonds a child builds in school, the relations, these can be as crucial to a persons development as education but often goes overlooked.
preclude this from being a white student issue, as stated in the OP, since the majority of the students who are affected by each of the schools that were featured in the news report were located in northwest Huntsville- an area that is overwhelming popluated by black people and other minority populations