Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
We need to have the discussion. Right here and right now.
Do you mind if we might just hold that discussion until after our combat troops are HOME and not still dying in the field?
Afghanistan Casualty Database
According to that, we've lost 7 men this month alone and we're only 10 days into it. Now I'm well aware of the fact that some people find that a
point to be happy about, if not celebrate. I'd hope they'd keep those opinions to themselves as much as I keep what I think of ...those who have
This didn't help that
. This didn't
help END that
. All Manning did was get innocent civilians
assisting coalition forces after he dumped entire databases which listed the names in the clear.
Again, Snowden has said he specifically avoided
did nothing to
endanger U.S. men in combat in Vietnam and I thank him for that. My Father was one of them at that moment in time. What he did actually DID help end
It almost sounds like Manning could have released ANYTHING and you'd have still seen him as a Hero. Well, I'm not that free with my respect or
praise. Intent, action and outcome ALL ...all 3...play into whether I respect a man. Manning was worthy of respect when he was releasing things like
the Apache gun camera footage. He lost it ALL when he went to just document dumping everything but the kitchen sink.
Also... Do I think the cables hurt us diplomatically? OF COURSE it did.
Over 250,000 cables isn't a leak. It's a criminal document
Have you read them? I mean I play games about this, but lets drop the pretense since no one is fooled and it's kinda silly. I absolutely
have read a fair % of them. Many nights I spent reading them because they were better than any fiction I've ever read. They dated right into Hillary
Clinton's tenure at State and absolutely dealt with personal and very sensitive issues.
Oh, they didn't deal with T.S. or SCI stuff. Worse. They dealt with PERSONAL
issues of leaders who are STILL
serving in offices,
positions of power in agencies and influential posts around the world.
Telling your buddy someone is a jerk and word leaking back is one thing. Having the fact you think someone is a jerk in bold headlines across world
newspapers is quiet another and the damage that kid did to not ONLY U.S., but allied diplomacy around the world is incalculable. The betrayal of trust
for basic security of information by a Government? Unforgivable.
Manning get a break? HA! Obama would no doubt like his head mounted on the wall of the Oval Office, right next to the door, so he can sit there and
admire it when he's bored. The personal level of animosity is that great, I truly believe. I don't think it's warranted to anything like that, as
I've said....but the kid did MAJOR damage.
To suggest he didn't is kinda like this...
You can say the damage he did was worth the gains he brought ..if you believe he actually changed anything (Iraq withdraw early? Nope... Not even by 1
day. Afghanistan? See above.. still there. What was accomplished again??) but to say damage wasn't done is a position I flat cannot comprehend with
intellectual honesty to the topic and nature of his actions.