reply to post by Wrabbit2000
In love with the system? That isn't quite accurate. I absolutely and without qualification love my nation. I love everything about my nation, as a
people and a country.
Any special reason other than being born there? Sincerely asking. Being patriotic is something of a default for humans. They associate their country
with their home (house) and their life. Which is understandable. Nazis also loved their country...and did many crimes for the "Fatherland". Being
patriotic isn't necessarily a "good" thing.
I distrust and very strongly dislike my Government. The two are very different things. The 'System' is a combination of the two and what makes this
whole crazy world go around in my nation as well as every other. So, yes, I am rather attached to the system.
A nation or a country is not some independent entity. A country is what it's people are and it's laws and deeds. Including the Gov. At one point,
Germany was considered evil because of Nazis. All of the Germany was branded with it after the WW2. Today however, nobody thinks that. You see...there
is no this mystic entity you cling to..."nation". It's just a human term invented for purposes of control and division. Actually what we mean by
it...is people. Nation does what people do. And your deeds are not written in stone like ten commandments under which your nation governs itself.
So the same people/nation killed many of your democratically elected presidents, attacked other nations, spy on their own and enemy alike, among many
other nice things (I'm in no way saying that other countries are better/worse, I just took US as an example). You the people choose the Gov by
electing them...that Gov represents you as a nation...internally and externally. Thus their actions are a reflection of the national mindset. It's
laws, it's verdicts, it's accusations the same. If you didn't condone it..you should change it. But you reelected. Therefore.
You can not talk about distrusting Gov and loving/trusting the nation. Who is nation?
There are Anarchist types who believe we should have no system or would just be content with the utter destruction of this one. I've yet to meet one
I'd trust running a lemonade stand, let alone rebuilding the system from the ashes left of this one. Without a replacement, the destruction of what
we have is insane. It's Mad Max with better guns....or for those unfortunate enough to not have such tools of defense in a world gone mad, it's
slavery to whoever takes possession of a body first.
For once I agree. Although I have anarchistic thoughts sometimes, I'm fully aware of what total anarchy means, and I wouldn't ever wish it on this
But sometimes in order to build the most beautiful castle, you must demolish the old shack. It was what we humans have been doing for a long time.
Building and tearing down. And building again, from the ground up. The system should not be exempt. It has to reflect the level of progress we as
species made. Ironically it appears..it does.
I'm in college, not to destroy the system, but to do my part within it, to help bring change
No offence, but doing your part within it sounds like being a cogwheel in a watch. And you're not bringing change by being apologetic to your
government/nation when it has obviously done many wrongs. And you are doing just that by condemning Manning for whatever you wan to blame him. The
fact that you ignore the obvious elephant in the room shows this mindset. Security, security...fear, fear, terror, terror...bla bla...
That's like saying: "I don't care if you saw me killing a guy...you had no clearance being there in the first place". Instead of promoting
honesty and truth, we punish it by clinging to stupid technicalities while letting unspeakable crimes off the hook because of it. I see it all the
time on your TV lawyer shows. You look so proud about it too.
We made truth irrelevant and silly.
I'm not sure what you'd ultimately like to see happen here...
No large scale collapse needed, only change in policy. Ultimate transparency. If everyone adhered to it, there would be no reason for secrecy. I
realize that your nation is forever under security threat
but you must understand...you get what you dish out. The only change possible is, as
you said it, from within.
I realize all this sounds perhaps too childishly idealistic to you, that I don't live in a real world...full of ugly spies and nukes, and
terrorists...but it is we who make it happen. Ultimately. We. The nation.
Anyway... I must rest now
My inner child would like to play some games.