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Originally posted by mobiusmale
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
But, it also seems to me that the term "social anarchism" is not only an oxymoron in a literal sense...but also just as unlikely. For anarchists to function within some sort of social framework, the framework itself would have to be established. Rules would have to be made (by whom amongst the leaderless anarchists?), and then enforced (an anarchist police force and court system?).
which is why I said human society is too immature for full anarchism.
Not to be pesky about such things, but who is it that will be supplying all of this unlimited free energy and free unlimited resources? Are you saying that men of science, or social do-gooders will just spring forward and create the technologies, and the equipment, and the delivery systems, and the maintenance resources required...and do it all for nothing?
read my post. I said machine worker class. Again read my post about orbital solar arrays and quasi-"free" energy.
And will we have another layer of altruistic component and parts suppliers...who will build factories on their own dime (not that there will be a monetary system in place which would lend meaning to the word dime)...and pop out endless quantities of whatever is needed, and give it all away too?
You don't have to pay a machine. Come on...
And no doubt, the workers in these factories will not only show up voluntarily on a regular basis, but they will provide their labours free of charge too - and they will be able to, of course, because food and housing will be free as well (will give new meaning to the term "poor farmer"...and slum lords will magically transform into shelter saints).
Again you don't have to pay a machine.
And these orbital solar arrays...for example...would just spring into being all on their own? No Governments to set standards...no universities (another offshoot of Government), or private research groups (without capitalism, why would anyone invest in creating new technologies)...no space agencies (or private ones) to launch them into orbit...nobody to build and manage the electrical grids that they would supply...
The people a business or a state would invest in orbital solar arrays. universities are not an offshoot of government they are charities that are funded by government which is then funded by the people
And...are these asteroids you speak of just going to softly touch down on earth by themselves, and spontaneously begin to shed precious substances?
No a crew of machine ai workers mine them and bring them back from the asteroid belt to be refined on earth
I could comment further on your "needs list", but I think everybody gets the point here
Well unless you are hoping to make wholesale changes to the DNA of the human species, which will remove our tendencies to be selfish (it's part of the survival instinct)
people can learn to be unselfish. Capitalism promotes greed over selflessness
...and our desires to not only keep up with the Jones', but to always be a step ahead of them. Unless you are going to somehow eradicate from the species,
more of "this violence to create change" from you statists...
the tendencies of many to "achieve" and to "get ahead" and to "provide for their families".
You can still have achievement and progress it just won't have the huge incentive it once had
Unless you are somehow going to effect a wholesale cure for narcissists, socio paths and psychopaths (who make up a healthy percentage of those who end up in charge of things...as well as commit a lot of crimes).
with a government comprised of machines and decentralized electronic ai systems I doubt they would have the capacity of human personality disorders
Forget for a moment (though you shouldn't completely forget) the Hiltlers, and Stalins and Idi Amins of the world...how are you going to eradicate the people who have the tendencies that made people like Rockefeller, Trump, Ford, Jobs, Bush, Obama, Clinton etc., etc. extremely rich and/or powerful.
Unless you can curb all of this (which you cannot) your social anarchism will have a shelf life of about a nano second.
With machines running the framework of the society you would not have any of those leaders or rulers
You know, just because you can dream about jumping off of a building and flying...doesn't mean that you really can.
So you agree that we are too immature as a society to govern ourselves? Your dreaming if you think that the current sad state of social parasitism is the pentacle of human achievement. Eventually we will out grow the need for a government. But not until we have a higher level of technology. We're too immature and reliant on it "helping" us.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
You don't have to force a machine to work in a mine or oil fields do you?