Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Utopia is impossible. Social anarchism is not impossible.
Right off the top, we can agree that utopia is impossible.
But, it also seems to me that the term "social anarchism" is not only an oxymoron in a literal sense...but also just as unlikely. For anarchists to
function within some sort of social framework, the framework itself would have to be established. Rules would have to be made (by whom amongst the
leaderless anarchists?), and then enforced (an anarchist police force and court system?).
It will happen. Eventually...
We are in a greed driven crony-capitalist phase right now. We have to evolve beyond this phase.How?
(virtually)unlimited Free energy. (virtually)Unlimited resources.
Not to be pesky about such things, but who is it that will be supplying all of this unlimited free energy and free unlimited resources? Are you
saying that men of science, or social do-gooders will just spring forward and create the technologies, and the equipment, and the delivery systems,
and the maintenance resources required...and do it all for nothing?
And will we have another layer of altruistic component and parts suppliers...who will build factories on their own dime (not that there will be a
monetary system in place which would lend meaning to the word dime)...and pop out endless quantities of whatever is needed, and give it all away
And no doubt, the workers in these factories will not only show up voluntarily on a regular basis, but they will provide their labours free of charge
too - and they will be able to, of course, because food and housing will be free as well (will give new meaning to the term "poor farmer"...and slum
lords will magically transform into shelter saints).
We have to have...
-free energy(vacuum energy,orbital solar arrays, Tesla free energy etc)
-free resource(asteroid mining,deep earth mining,deep sea mining)
-free work(fully integrated machine worker class)
-life extension technology and medicines (nano-machine medicine)
This would delegitimize crony-capitalism.
And these orbital solar arrays...for example...would just spring into being all on their own? No Governments to set standards...no universities
(another offshoot of Government), or private research groups (without capitalism, why would anyone invest in creating new technologies)...no space
agencies (or private ones) to launch them into orbit...nobody to build and manage the electrical grids that they would supply...
And...are these asteroids you speak of just going to softly touch down on earth by themselves, and spontaneously begin to shed precious substances?
I could comment further on your "needs list", but I think everybody gets the point here
Anarchism requires a mature UNSELFISH society with no energy/resource limitations.
You cannot have anarchism with limited privately owned resources and limited privately owned energy.(because of greed and selfishness)
Take the limitations of energy and resources and you can have social anarchism.
Well unless you are hoping to make wholesale changes to the DNA of the human species, which will remove our tendencies to be selfish (it's part of
the survival instinct)...and our desires to not only keep up with the Jones', but to always be a step ahead of them. Unless you are going to somehow
eradicate from the species, the tendencies of many to "achieve" and to "get ahead" and to "provide for their families". Unless you are somehow
going to effect a wholesale cure for narcissists, socio paths and psychopaths (who make up a healthy percentage of those who end up in charge of
things...as well as commit a lot of crimes).
Forget for a moment (though you shouldn't completely forget) the Hiltlers, and Stalins and Idi Amins of the world...how are you going to eradicate
the people who have the tendencies that made people like Rockefeller, Trump, Ford, Jobs, Bush, Obama, Clinton etc., etc. extremely rich and/or
Unless you can curb all of this (which you cannot) your social anarchism will have a shelf life of about a nano second.
Until we have grown to that level we must have limited government(libertarianism).
We are not mature enough to self-govern on a massive scale yet.
You know, just because you can dream about jumping off of a building and flying...doesn't mean that you really can.