Jailed for three weeks awaiting trial over Facebook posts

I am embarrassed to be an American if *this* is what we are supposed to be afraid of.

reply to post by winofiend


I guess you're from the states...songs about killing people are a mundane bore to you. You just shrug it off...like it's nothing.

Excuse me for not being so cool about violent threats.

You are not seriously comparing computer piracy with death threats..or even terror threats?

If the police had done nothing and this idiot had carried out one of his threats what then? The same people whining about him being detained would be whining about how the police did nothing....

All predicted, and written down by Mr. Orwell.

...You must love Big Brother. It is not enough to obey him, you must love him."

1984

"We, the Party, control all records, and we control all memories. Then we control the past, do we not?"

1984

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”

1984

Originally posted by GeneralChaos
So much for "freedom of speech".
He should be able to threaten to blow up the entire country if he wants to.
That's why it's called "freedom" of "speech".

But hey, what the hell do I know?

He totally has freedom of speech...just like everyone.

The problem here is we don't have "Freedom of Typing Speech"

Because anything that gets typed on the internet can be found by these tiny word-bots used by international security that can trace your IP address.

So speak freely, but choose the words you wish to type very carefully. Better yet, don't type online at all and use a piece of paper and a pen to do this.

Originally posted by Sankari
LOL at people on a conspiracy theory site constantly quoting RT, which is run by the Kremlin.

Let's see what the Russian socialist media isn't telling you:

According to police reports, D'Ambrosio has a history of making violent threats, once to his sister and once to a pair of eighth graders. Police responded to an incident in 2006 in which a neighbor reported that D'Ambrosio bit her son on the arm during a fight.

In September 2012, another student severely beat D'Ambrosio, rupturing his spleen and putting him in the hospital, over a Facebook post by D'Ambrosio about the student's girlfriend. At a 9 May 2013 hearing, a judge called D'Ambrosio a threat to the community and ordered him held without bail for up to 90 days:

"I believe the behavior here has been escalating," Judge Lynn Rooney said after reviewing a half dozen records of police and probation reports prosecutors submitted at the hearing. "And it's very troubling."

The reports included D'Ambrosio's arrest in June 2012 after a fight over $20 with his older sister, who called police after locking herself in her room. During the argument, D'Ambrosio pushed her and, after she locked herself in her bedroom, threatened to stab her, according to the arrest report.

Rooney said she also was troubled by a police report from November 2011, which said D'Ambrosio threatened to shoot two eighth-grade students. Police said he admitted to making that statement, but was only kidding.

(Source).

See also the article here.

Hmmmm........... Yeah this information is kind of important. I think the bigger problem this incident exposes is Judicial incompetence. Judge Lynn Rooney said it perfectly months ago about D'Ambrosio :"I believe the behavior here has been escalating,". Yet the Judge did nothing. He could of easily court ordered D'Ambrosio to receive mental treatment, but the good Judge did nothing.

Hopefully now, D'Ambrosio will receive the mental help he needs.

reply to post by Sankari

Let's see what the Russian socialist media isn't telling you:

According to police reports, D'Ambrosio has a history of making violent threats, once to his sister and once to a pair of eighth graders

Lol... seriously, that's the best they have on him apart from the lyrics? Wow better lock me up right now if threatening your sister is an act of terrorism.

Well.. A few things I'd sure note...

1. He's no kid. He's 18 years old and an adult by every measure. Some people seem to want a couple years younger to be considered adult for other decisions and purposes...but 18 is definitely an adult. Not a kid.

2. As Sankari noted, the guy has a record that shows he's unstable or a good reason to suspect it and he doesn't strike me as a bumbling idiot either. Meaning, he could probably do some nasty things. When people are missed, we get pissed that no one caught it in time ...and when they may just have caught it in time, like this? People say 'what gives them the right??'. Well... One or the other. We can't have it both ways.

3. A threat to the White House is a threat to the President. Period. It's not something the Feds see wiggle room on or have the least sense of humor about. A threat against him (or after new laws in recent years, a line of people in succession and related to him) is a federal crime, even if you're kidding. Really... They prosecute people regularly for it and the headlines carry it often enough on smaller stories. Ignorance is no excuse and he can just deal with his screw up. It was a BIG one.

Oh..and Russia Today actually IS a direct property of the Government of the Russian Federation. When did the Russian Government's take and opinion become so much more credible than the US Government? I don't trust either any further than I could toss them...but it's interesting that some do see a serious difference for credibility.

Originally posted by hellobruce
If the police had done nothing and this idiot had carried out one of his threats what then? The same people whining about him being detained would be whining about how the police did nothing....

Sure the lyrics might have been a real reason for concern but I fail to see where he actually broke the law yet. Would it not have been more logical to monitor his activities and movements for a while to bust him and his terrorist buddies? I can't see how it's valid to hold him in jail based on rap lyrics posted to the internet. It just seems like such an overextension of counter-terrorist law enforcement, especially when it seems pretty damn obvious he isn't planning any act of terrorism. I mean why are they even having a trial when they have virtually nothing on him, what is there to be decided at such a trial? He hasn't committed any act of violence yet and there's little proof he would have. The only thing they can possibly charge him for is making threats towards others, but it should be easy for him to argue against such a claim on the basis that it was simply artistic expression designed with intentionally violent themes of a generic nature, not a real threat made to any specific person or persons.

I wouldn't be suprised if he was an ATS member

Originally posted by GeneralChaos
So much for "freedom of speech".
He should be able to threaten to blow up the entire country if he wants to.
That's why it's called "freedom" of "speech".

But hey, what the hell do I know?

you are free to speak about threatening death to somebody, but the consequence of that speech is that people are allowed to take you seriously and take actions to prevent it...I do not know why this is so hard to understand?

His lyrical content is weak. Perfect for the mainstream media. I keep telling people facebook shouldn't be used, but people are just not very bright. Think how many rap songs out there advocate violence some against government. If they're arresting this weak of a rapper over this. Why isn't Immortal Technique behind bars?

I understand some of you peoples' point about you can't make threats, bla bla bla, for the most part that is what rap is about. Most of them talk about it and never are about it. Just look at Lil Wayne, Kanye West, Drake, Nicki Minaj, you know all the crappy mainstream artist.

In conclusion, stop using facebook. It's one big spyware site. Just think about it.

If your an adult and you have a history of doing so while your friends say you have growing anger issues about being picked on and then you make public threats to blow things up then you should expect trouble. What remians to be seen is how credible the threats are. He seems to have a history of not being very stable If nothing had been done maybe he would have done nothing but, as we have seen so often in other cases people who post threats back them up. Of course this being ATS if he had done something everybody would say the Gov wanted it to happen because ignored his history and public threats.

reply to post by alfa1


You are easily amused. You did not even hear if he had musical talent. He seems like just another wasted loser who is not even smart enough to wear a baseball hat. Yeah turn him loose guys. He is not a terrorist or a rapper.

Hell jail everybody!
Just keep those big macs commin,and let me ride the roads burning up the last drops of earths precious resources for a lark!

Originally posted by RomeByFire
Only in America.

.

Not so - people are regularly arrested and have been incarcerated in Britain for similar offences.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by b14warrior
This seems bonkers.

Completely bonkers.

But on the bright side...

D’Ambrosio wrote, “I’ma be famous rapping.”

And now he is.
Worldwide.
He's jumped the hurdle most music makers never get over - the hurdle of obscurity.

Some promoter should get this guy a gig the moment he gets released. You can be guaranteed big takings at the gate.

Too bad he is facing such a high price for that fame, Maybe 20 years!
God help him and all the ignorant youth that will face much worse penalties for less!

Originally posted by Sankari
LOL at people on a conspiracy theory site constantly quoting RT, which is run by the Kremlin.

Let's see what the Russian socialist media isn't telling you:

According to police reports, D'Ambrosio has a history of making violent threats, once to his sister and once to a pair of eighth graders. Police responded to an incident in 2006 in which a neighbor reported that D'Ambrosio bit her son on the arm during a fight.

In September 2012, another student severely beat D'Ambrosio, rupturing his spleen and putting him in the hospital, over a Facebook post by D'Ambrosio about the student's girlfriend. At a 9 May 2013 hearing, a judge called D'Ambrosio a threat to the community and ordered him held without bail for up to 90 days:

"I believe the behavior here has been escalating," Judge Lynn Rooney said after reviewing a half dozen records of police and probation reports prosecutors submitted at the hearing. "And it's very troubling."

The reports included D'Ambrosio's arrest in June 2012 after a fight over $20 with his older sister, who called police after locking herself in her room. During the argument, D'Ambrosio pushed her and, after she locked herself in her bedroom, threatened to stab her, according to the arrest report.

Rooney said she also was troubled by a police report from November 2011, which said D'Ambrosio threatened to shoot two eighth-grade students. Police said he admitted to making that statement, but was only kidding.

(Source).

See also the article here.

Hardly an act of Terrorism though is it....... 2 lil weedy charges too no convictions

There are exceptions to free speech that have been around for decades. Threats of violence, inciting violence or imminent lawlessness are one of those exception to the First Amendment. Below are a handful of court cases that influenced interpretation of the First Amendment in terms of violent threats. Schenck should not be considered the first case that created an exception to the First Amendment in regards to threats. My point of listing them is that the exception against violent threats is nothing new and the medium in which the threat is delivered [the internet/facebook) does not matter. You could state it, write it, make it a flyer, put it in a news paper, say it on a radio--if it's considered a "true threat" it is not protected speech.

Schenck v. United States (1919]
Whitney v. California (1927)
Brandenberg v. Ohio (1964)
Watts v. United States (1969)
Virginia v. Black (2003)

In the case of this kid, he apparently already had been arrested a few times before for violent threats and incidents and that probably was a factor in assessing whether he was stating a "true threat" or not: www.eagletribune.com...

UCLA discussion of "True Threat" and exception to the First Amendment: www2.law.ucla.edu...
www2.law.ucla.edu...

Originally posted by MrSpad
If your an adult and you have a history of doing so while your friends say you have growing anger issues about being picked on and then you make public threats to blow things up then you should expect trouble. What remians to be seen is how credible the threats are. He seems to have a history of not being very stable If nothing had been done maybe he would have done nothing but, as we have seen so often in other cases people who post threats back them up. Of course this being ATS if he had done something everybody would say the Gov wanted it to happen because ignored his history and public threats.

Though I believe it was worth taking action. I think that facing 20 years is a little extreme for making a rap song!
At most this kid should be facing some anger management, therapy and community service!
I could see if he was a real terrorist but real terrorist don't announce they are going to blow things up! Feel we
are seeing the beginnings of a department of pre-crime, like from the movie Minority Report! I have heard many of my friends say they wanted to kill me because they were angry at me or someone else but did not call the police. If I had, I would have expected to have been laughed off the phone but because he threatened the federal Government we see overkill!
This no tolerance policy is ridicules and is only in place to keep the next generation from speaking their minds!
We have a right to want to hurt those that have wronged us, to speak about it if we choose but to only be incarcerated when we have committed a wrong! When will Americans realize that true evil is in action and intent but empty threats are inert! As many of you have stated we see enough evil in our leaders but no accountability
for their actions!
America has become fearful, overactive to inconsequential actions and impotent to the real dangers we face!