God as Master.

reply to post by Angle


I get it. You're going to insult my post, lie about insulting it, then not explain why you insulted it. Explain why you even bother posting where other people can question your beliefs? You clearly don't play well with others.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


One is, has always been, and will always be judged by the measure he judges.

"Peace"

The Master considers peoples feelings.


It would be disadvantageous in not doing so, which would result in loss of the submissive. If someone proved his lack of care for one, that person would end up out of the life of the other.

Fruitfull advice: do not consider the Master bound to any restriction.

"With God, all things are possible." -Matthew 19:26

reply to post by Angle


I prefer an equal relationship. Otherwise, one will always be favored over the other, inviting jealousy and enmity. The scales would tip and fall over, destroying the relationship in the end. The flow must be balanced to maintain continuity and preserve harmony.

Of course, some are willing to sacrifice harmony for their own personal ascension, aren't they? Some would gladly kill their people to ensure their own rule...shed the blood of their own country to secure the throne and crown. Some have a greater appreciation for worship than they ever had for the sanctity of life and liberty.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by slugger9787

 

What I got from all that is you'd prefer feeling good over actually knowing the truth. Who cares if it's a lie, as long as it's a comfortable one? This is a point I have been making again and again, and you have proven it. All you want is to feel good about life, whatever lies you have to tell yourself to achieve that. It's pathetic. What's the point to truth at all? You don't serve the truth, you serve yourself.

Of all the Christians, the ones I pity the most are those who choose to lie to themselves for the sake of themselves. At least there is noble intent in lying for the sake of the world.

edit on 21-5-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

here is what I wanted you to get.

If you are so intellectually enlightened and superior to people who believe in God
and you obsessively and compulsively barge in to convince them how wrong they are

it is similar to me telling kindergarteners there is no santa
so I can feel smug watching the hope in their eyes fade to black.

If you are that intellectually superior AND honest with yourself
you will admit that the ONLY thing that means anything on earth
is FAITH in God and HOPE in the resurrection and life eternal.

But you are not that smart, or you would not have
missed the obvious message in my parable.
and I would not be back here explaining it in first grade terms.


faith and belief are things we have in common.

you look at the world and place your faith and belief in "No God"
that is your answer for and to all your internal anguish that you have.

I look at the world and place my faith and belief in "Know God"
that is my answer for and to all the internal anguist that I have.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Angle

 

I prefer an equal relationship. Otherwise, one will always be favored over the other, inviting jealousy and enmity. The scales would tip and fall over, destroying the relationship in the end. The flow must be balanced to maintain continuity and preserve harmony.

Of course, some are willing to sacrifice harmony for their own personal ascension, aren't they? Some would gladly kill their people to ensure their own rule...shed the blood of their own country to secure the throne and crown. Some have a greater appreciation for worship than they ever had for the sanctity of life and liberty.

edit on 21-5-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

Excellent point! That's why we give glory and honor to the Most High. We are not His slaves, but His willing servants. He does not ask much from us. He asks, and I think this is where you will find that equality you are searching for, He asks us to be like Him. Nothing more!

And Jesus, first and foremost, was a man, just like you! So you're already doing His work, even without intention!

And even more amazingly, He forgives us when we screw something up! He doesn't require perfection. He doesn't even require recognition. He only asks us to behave ourselves in a holy and peace-loving manner!

Mathew 10:42 "And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of Cold Water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward."

He doesn't ask you to receive us with open arms. He doesn't ask you to blindly submit to our message. He asks you to give only the most passive acceptance. The life sustaining water. It does not mean you agree. It is simply allowing us to continue to do the work of Him that sent us. And our work is to help each other. Do you give cold water? I would give water unflinchingly to the most hardened atheist and the most hateful Christian alike. Simply because I know they were not given the same advantages I was. It doesn't mean I think they're right. It doesn't even mean I think I'm right. It simply means, I give in to the idea that there are things I do not know and that there are people who need things I have. I help people because it feels good to help people. Not because I want to get into heaven. I defend the weak, I give blankets to the cold, water to those who thirst, food to those who hunger. Because I want to. And all I try to do is show other people how good it feels to want those things.

Sometimes, the cross can feel heavy. But I cannot imagine how heavy it would have been for Christ Himself, blessed be He.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by GRS1234

Originally posted by GodIsRelative
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

Because I know that I exist.You said "We are god"
There is no "we" without you AND me.
There is no "God" without "no God."
What kind of God would I be if I was alone?
What kind of God could We be if We were alone?

Excuse me if i may direct your attention to the holy trinity... Father, Son, Holy Spirit

care to elaborate?

...on which movement?

Å99

reply to post by slugger9787

If you are that intellectually superior AND honest with yourself
you will admit that the ONLY thing that means anything on earth
is FAITH in God and HOPE in the resurrection and life eternal.

No. Your way is NOT the only way. If your morals are so superior to mine, then examine the log in your eye before you point out the speck in mine. Immortality is not a gift. Subjugation is not a solution. Self-disdain is not a revelation. You want the human species to hate itself? Fine, then hate yourself. But don't teach kids to hate themselves or believe themselves cursed for being born flawed.

If anyone is blind, it is you. You fail to appreciate imperfection. You fail to appreciate what you have been given in your very birth. You fail to appreciate ANYTHING that doesn't hand life to you on a silver platter. And that makes you weaker than the most grievous sinner on Earth. You wanna know why? Because they know how to make their own dreams happen. They have established independence. And they don't need to kiss toes in order to be happy. They make their own happiness. They are their own miracle.

And if you condemn them for that, it's only because you have failed to share in their success.

faith and belief are things we have in common.

you look at the world and place your faith and belief in "No God"
that is your answer for and to all your internal anguish that you have.

I look at the world and place my faith and belief in "Know God"
that is my answer for and to all the internal anguist that I have.

No. I place my KNOWLEDGE in the fact that HUMANS can be everything they need. They want meaning? Give themselves meaning. They've done it for everything else. They want hope? Give themselves a reason to hope. They've done it with everything else. They want life? Then find a reason and way to live. They've always done it. Everything we have given ourselves has been the product of our imagination and our two hands.

I believe in INDEPENDENCE. Independence of the human spirit. Let us learn to use our own ingenuity instead of forever depending on the inspiration and guidance of a long-dead ideal. When you take all of your strength from yourself, you will learn what you are truly capable of. Some people, like you, don't think we are capable of anything by ourselves. We are weak, we are imperfect, we are contemptible.

I don't agree with that. We are beautiful, and we are capable of changing everything. We just have to find the strength. And as long as we don't rely on our own strength, we will never realize how much of it we really have. That's what I believe in.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by slugger9787

 

If you are that intellectually superior AND honest with yourself
you will admit that the ONLY thing that means anything on earth
is FAITH in God and HOPE in the resurrection and life eternal.

No. Your way is NOT the only way.

Out of that reaction we can conclude you definetly don't deny ingnorance.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

If your morals are so superior to mine, then examine the log in your eye before you point out the speck in mine.

How can he? When the issue is to be seen otherwise?

Originally posted by AfterInfinityImmortality is not a gift. Subjugation is not a solution.

Will you start contradicting all of the bible now, with that?

reply to post by Angle


How about you be less vague and more elaborate with your responses so I can actually understand what you are trying to say? I got the gist of it - you think very poorly of my post. But why?

reply to post by Angle


That's a pitiful response. Could you at least try to stay on topic? This is your thread after all, you could at least observe the standard expectations within your own discussions.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

I sometimes think the point is to be without GOD. and invent it within yourselves. The "we is the "and" "us" factor. We are the creators of OURSELVES, and for one reason or another fail to see the GOD within US. WE ARE IT. GOD INCARNATE. THE CHILDREN the true expression of God IN ITS OWN UNCERTAINTY.

Exactly! This is spiritual independence. You use the idea of "God" to discover your own potential. The more you begin to discover your own power to bring your desires to life, the more you learn about what is necessary and what is not necessary, what is real and what is not real, and the more you become your own god. Teach a man to fish...

Spiritual independence is yours for the taking. Perhaps we all SHOULD start out as agnostics and come to one belief or another, yea or nay regarding the existance of a Prime Creator. No one knows, its as you say (as I read between your lines) very personal. I am fairly certain that "god" factor does not want slaves but information that is unsullied and true, as however hard, emotional it may be to the individual humans it RELIES upon even the worst outcome of disbelief is welcome. As you you continue the quest of your own being and its relationship to "creator" you grow. You might not like what you find (a ripped open description of your soul INCOMPLETE) but there it is. Why is it this way, set up this way--Its real and yet a game; the more you know about yourself the more Godlike you become. "Teach a man to Fish" is actually a great metaphor for the individual; rely on no one but oneself to answer the riddle of your existance, purpose period, no Book, no adviser can help you as it colors your reasoning (mind), but the heart always knows.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

So you've found god? It's good to know you've found yourself my friend.

I never stood a chance against against entropy and destiny, fought it for a long time and have to except WHAT I am. The internal battles you would not believe, the finality outcome was unexpected.

Originally posted by Angle

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Because I know that I exist.You said "We are god"There is no "we" without you AND me.
There is no "God" without "no God."
What kind of God would I be if I was alone?
What kind of God could We be if We were alone?

veteranhumanbeing
You do know you exist. We are God expression; there is so we without you no IT and or I. You are not alone you have me and I am God trying to explain to you I EXIST. If a lonely God you would not EXIST because KNOW one would not recognize you as FORMULATED (as a perfect Unicorn). ME TOO. We too as God, we would at least give the Sun a NAME.

Angle
God does not make himself clear by mentally convincing someone He exists.......

He does not do that that way, He moulds the persons awareness so the person is without doubt of His existence, yet there are fools who deny God in their heart.
That was with proof, they chose not to believe. That is kind of weird actually.
Thats like claiming a blue ball green when you see it.
Hence, 'fool'. Haha, in fact it's quite humoristic. I think I don't have anything against fools. They are my friends!
How could I be so deceived.

... blaah

Nope God is not REAL (what a concept) as a figurehead I suppose, but as living being probably describing itself as 6 billion people living on planet Earth (NO WAY). However, It seems to have multuple brains walking around. If God molds persception within the human it has entitlement; making the human its selfself. The soul lies within the heart, and if God wants that domain I would call it a dictator as best a murdering home invasion specialist at worst. God does not have to make Itself clear, it is omnipitant (snicker). Where lies truth? Brain/mind? That is the seat of rational thought. Truth lies in the heart, your soul . I would not call questions denial (foolish), I would call them questions. What if your ideas of jumping in the deep end of religiousity as a believer hook line and sinker was the foolish way out of discovering yourself (who you actually ARE). Are you the fish and not the fisher? All evidence says God walks the Earth and We Are It.

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

I sometimes think the point is to be without GOD. and invent it within yourselves. The "we is the "and" "us" factor. We are the creators of OURSELVES, and for one reason or another fail to see the GOD within US. WE ARE IT. GOD INCARNATE. THE CHILDREN the true expression of God IN ITS OWN UNCERTAINTY.

Oh...I can smell the schizos in this thread...you can slap these people full tilt dans la bouche...show them how (with little diagrams) they have walked right past the information desk...but they will swear black and blue it was a food kiosk...sit them down, hand the 'natives' the photographic evidence, phonograph wax roll (scratched beyond repair!)...demonstrate how thier eyes have played tricks on them, third eye blind, first 'I' lame...lovingly show them that it really isn't a pipe (ceci n'est pas une pipe)...and still...God is something else other than us, to them...Takes a special type of origami mind to continue to fold that paper, over and over again...Å99

Its a forum, they can or not read it, its just information. Need to have a Goddess at the info desk stop them in their tracks, (what did I just see Hera, Athena). A food kiosk or fake Watches, all the same distributor. An Edison Wax roll, "Mary had a Little Lamb, Its fleece WAS white as snow, and everywhere that MARY went HER lambs were sure to GO" (I still cannot get over the funsterism of that first AUDIBLE). I find it hard to believe the WOOL drawn over the Eyes and ears that play tricks. History has demonstated all of this yet they refuse to acknowedge the BLATANT. Gkod is their Master apparently, a being that refuses to show itself, provides a Shill and a ridiculous story about an immaculate birth with a 13 year old child. I have no problem unfolding the paper, peeling the onion skin ; what is written upon the heart of its center will be these words "You Found Me Finally". I do not understand the separation of Us and God and why they/them continue to think we and God are separate beings. IT CONFOUNDS ME as it makes no sense. Is the human supposed to be contained as perspect-ually mislead and eventually made to be INSANE in its pursuit of GOD? Its there everyday, that insect that wishes to nip you.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by slugger9787

 

If anyone is blind, it is you. You fail to appreciate imperfection. You fail to appreciate what you have been given in your very birth. You fail to appreciate ANYTHING that doesn't hand life to you on a silver platter. And that makes you weaker than the most grievous sinner on Earth. You wanna know why? Because they know how to make their own dreams happen. They have established independence. And they don't need to kiss toes in order to be happy. They make their own happiness. They are their own miracle.

And if you condemn them for that, it's only because you have failed to share in their success.

faith and belief are things we have in common.

you look at the world and place your faith and belief in "No God"
that is your answer for and to all your internal anguish that you have.

I look at the world and place my faith and belief in "Know God"
that is my answer for and to all the internal anguist that I have.

No. I place my KNOWLEDGE in the fact that I can be everything I need. I want meaning? I Give myself meaning. I have done it for everything else. I want hope? I Give myself a reason to hope. I have done it with everything else. I want life? Then I find a reason and way to live. Everything I have given myself has been the product of my imagination and my two hands.

I believe in INDEPENDENCE. Independence of the human spirit.

edit on 22-5-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

I changed the plurality in your self aggrandizing rant to first person singular.
Familiar with narcissistic personality disorder?

Anyway, you mentioned the human spirit.
prove it is there, prove it exists, show it to me,
experiment upon it with objective measurable tests.