Originally posted by Aleister
Thanks for putting this up. I saw your last vid and liked it, so am bookmarking this one to watch later or on the morrow. Should be interesting reading the thread, which I'll do after watching the vid.
Originally posted by rickymouse
Our reality doesn't really have to be real. It could be something all together different than we can comprehend.
Even if this screwed up reality is real, only half of what we think is real is really real.
Originally posted by DaRAGE
Another good video. I like it ;-p
Originally posted by Mr Mask
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by Mr Mask
Hate to say I told you so, but all my threads have said this all along. Case in Point.
No need to say you told me so lol. I've been saying this for over 30 years. Don't waste time convincing me.
Anyways, tho I do not support or suggest your religious ideas on the matter, I will say that if we do indeed live in a simulation, there is reason to at least allow possibility of your God or anyone's God(s).
This is also spoken about in some of Nick Bostrom's interviews.
But I don't think you would like the idea he presents. That God(s) if they exist within this simulation are simply more false programmed avatars within reality. Just as real as Mario, or Zelda or any other programmed thing within the system.
I allow your God a probability (admitted a low one), but if we are a simulation I suggest your God may very well be as fake as the rest of us within this false reality.
Of course you won't agree...but then again, you trust faith where as I trust science.
We can't agree without beating the crap outta each other first...at least philosophically.
The good news is you forgive me...and I tolerate you...its our nature.
Hugs bro! I love you.
Originally posted by BobM88
S&F, OP because I too love this topic. Perhaps I'm premature with that because I've not watched the video yet. Gotta wait for my 5 year old to crash first.
Data and La Forge are enjoying a Sherlock Holmes holodeck program when the two notice that a character programmed to be left-handed was actually right-handed. They call Lt. Barclay to repair the holodeck, but as he checks the status of the Sherlock Holmes programs, he encounters an area of protected memory. He activates it to find the artificial sentient Professor James Moriarty character projected into the Holodeck, who appears to have memory since his creation, including during the period while he was inactive (a feat Picard claims to be impossible). Moriarty wishes to escape the artificial world of the holodeck and was assured by the crew of the Enterprise that they would endeavor to find a way to free him, and is irritated at the lack of results on the part of the crew and their seeming lack of even the tiniest bit of effort. Picard, along with Data and Barclay, attempts to assure Moriarty they are still working on that goal, but Moriarty is dismissive of that.
Moriarty confuses the crew by seemingly willing himself to existence by walking off the holodeck. He explains this to the stunned Picard and Data by saying, "I think, therefore I am.". Moriarty creates a companion for himself, the Countess Regina Bartholomew , commanding the computer of the Enterprise to place another sentient mind within a female character of the Sherlock Holmes novels. Moriarty then demands that a solution to get Regina off the holodeck be devised. He takes control of the Enterprise through the computer, insisting that a way be found for her to experience life beyond the confines of the holodeck.
While assisting LaForge, Data observes that LaForge's handedness is incorrect, just as they had experienced earlier. Data determines that he himself, Picard, and Barclay never left the holodeck, and everyone and everything that appears to be the Enterprise are part of a holodeck program Moriarty created. At that moment, Picard realizes that he has unwittingly provided Moriarty with the command codes for the Enterprise. With this information, Moriarty takes control of the real Enterprise from within his simulation.
Data finds a way to program the holodeck's simulation of a holodeck to convince Moriarty that he and Regina can be beamed into the real world, though in fact they are only "beamed" in the holodeck's simulation. Moriarty, satisfied with the ruse, releases control of the ship back to Picard. He and the Countess use a shuttlecraft given to them by Commander Riker to leave the Enterprise and explore the galaxy. Picard ends the simulation and returns to the real Enterprise. Barclay extracts the memory cube from the holodeck and sets it in an extended memory device in order to provide Moriarty and the Countess a lifetime of exploration and adventure.
Picard mentions the possibility that the crew's reality may actually be a fabrication generated by "a little device sitting on someone's table." This unnerves Barclay enough for him to test the nature of his own reality one more time: he gives an audible command to "end program" to test whether he is still in a simulation. There is no response.
But Nick Bostrom has been quoted saying that figuring such a thing out may be the worst thing we could do. He says "the last thing we may want to do is hold up a sign towards the sky saying I know this is a simulation".
Cus then the simulators may turn us off lol.
Originally posted by roadgravel
The simulation might be designed to know the instant it is discovered and end. Or it might change and continue on, going to a new level, so to speak. The second would seem to be a more advenced system.edit on 5/18/2013 by roadgravel because: (no reason given)