Technology and the Singularity (VIDEO)

WARNING: VIDEO contains vulgarity, low-brow humor, digital violence and personal opinions on technology and the singularity. Please do not watch if you find such things offensive. THANK YOU!

Hello ATS, some of you know me here and some of you don't. But for those aware or unaware- I am very obsessed with conspiracies and odd topics of many kinds. One kind being "The Singularity of Technology".

Technological singularity WIKI

For those who do not know what the Technological Singularity is- its the moment that computers reach a level of intelligence and processing power to become almost Godlike. The idea is highly speculative. Many great minds on both sides of the argument agree to disagree on many details of the subject. Some say its coming, some do not. Everyone is allowed their point of view.

Anyways, I figured a video I made on the subject was worthy of posting here and I am doing so. If that is out of line or unacceptable, please feel free to say so, delete it or just come to my house and beat me up...its ok. I understand.

ANYWAYS- The video I am linking is a commentary over a video-game gameplay session of Modern Warfare 3. During this game I explain my ideas on the Singularity and list some reasons I find it very interesting and/or possible. Its clear in the video that I think this is possible. Tho, I do understand why many people think it is not.

Either way it is a fun thought to allow in the head.

DOUBLE WARNING- I have a very blunt and vulgar way of explaining things. I tend to swear too much and speak too fast. But I also am told I'm a funny guy time to time. This is all opinion of course and this video will not suit everyone's standards.

I hope those of you interested in this subject find this video interesting. I also hope you find the fact that its attached to a video-game session to be both ironic and suiting to the subject matter.

Soon I will be doing another video that talks about "The Holographic nature of the Universe" and "The Simulation hypothesis". If this video is allowed to remain here and gets enough love, I will possibly share that on these boards as well.

I do hope you laugh and enjoy no matter what your personal views on the subject matter is. And I hope to see us all alive and well in a technological future one day soon!


PS-I'd love some debate or discussion to begin in this thread. I'd also LOVE for some people to post their favorite singularity documentaries or clips for others to watch. There are many, and I would LOVE to see one or two I am unaware of. If such a thing exists.

Hugs and salute. Here is the video.



MM

Hi op, what do you think of the idea that the consiousness of said techonology, already exsists? And has long before our own, and is somehow manipulating us to create a medium for it to exsist and control from in the physicle realm.

This would tie many other topics together, and could be the meaning behind the serpant and tree of knowledge. The elite who know the plan of this dark conciousness are somehow able to communicate with it, and help it manifest into our world.

Edit; I liked the delivery of your point of veiw, and your point of veiw. The modern warfare was not for me, but a cool video none the less....

Would it be possible to do your commentary over porn?

Make sure no more than 4 mins please,

I want to make it to the end!!

reply to post by Mr Mask

Everyone is allowed their point of view.

Computers will never know that they know.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
Hi op, what do you think of the idea that the consiousness of said techonology, already exsists? And has long before our own, and is somehow manipulating us to create a medium for it to exsist and control from in the physicle realm.

This would tie many other topics together, and could be the meaning behind the serpant and tree of knowledge. The elite who know the plan of this dark conciousness are somehow able to communicate with it, and help it manifest into our world.

edit on 12-5-2013 by Wifibrains because: (no reason given)

Hey you! First off, thanks for commenting. This subject (and many tied to it) is one of my favorite odd topics to think about in my alone time. And you bring up a good point I often visit in my boredom of deep thought.

Tho I do not really support or believe that the elite have access to the answers, or the tree of life, or anything like that. I DO think its possible that computer intelligence made the universe. Be it from the future, the past, the present or some place outside our reality.

I don't bet my life on it, but I do allow a portion of my thoughts to weigh the possibility.

Nick Bostrom makes a good argument in his Simulation Argument paper published in "Philosophical Quarterly" in 2003, where he argues the possibility of future species creating digital simulations of reality, and that we may be in one now.

The paper can be found HERE.

I think computers have the ability to be Gods. And I also think they can and will become them in the near future if we do not destroy ourselves.

I also think it is very possible that Godlike computers created our reality, and that they may be watching us even now.

If that is true...I also allow the possibility that the Singularity will be the moment these computers speak openly to us all and explain everything we need to know about it.

Of course, I don't bet the farm on this wild idea...but I surely don't put it in the box of "impossible things".

I'd love to see some links to any and all information you find interesting on the subjects you have posted here. I am so willing to take it on board and consider it while I sit in silence awaiting my computer overlords.

Hugs.

MM

Originally posted by kbriggss
Would it be possible to do your commentary over porn?

Make sure no more than 4 mins please,

I want to make it to the end!!

Modern Warfare IS my porn!

But I'll see what I can do!

lol.

Hugs.

ps-4 mins!? man...you are good...I'm thinking 30-55 seconds followed by a nap...and that's IF we cuddle.

MM

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Everyone is allowed their point of view.

Computers will never know that they know.

Tho I don't know what exactly you mean by this. It does remind me of the many folks who always say- "I dunno why you think of these subjects, its not like anyone will ever know".

I personally think 100% that we are living in the generations of mankind that WILL learn everything and all things. Even the facts beind a God or lack of. And the meaning of reality (if there is one).

Thanks for posting! Hugs.

MM

reply to post by Mr Mask

lol, and nice work. I learned quite a bit in a memorable way (a cell phone has 1000 times the computer power of NASA in 1969???? Did they ever lose their signal?). More please. And nice work on the computer game, you killed some electronic guys (loved your leap of faith).

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

lol, and nice work. I learned quite a bit in a memorable way (a cell phone has 1000 times the computer power of NASA in 1969???? Did they ever lose their signal?). More please. And nice work on the computer game, you killed some electronic guys (loved your leap of faith).

THANKS BRO! Ya, actually NASA DID lose their single a bunch of times. During the Apollo 11 mission the Lunar module had to orbit the moon before starting its descent. When it reappeared from behind the moon it had strayed off course. Immediately communication was lost. Communication was between Houston and the lunar module but was then re-routed through the command vehicle to the lunar module. But this didn't work very successfully. Communication was in and out for a long period.

AND YA! I KILL ME SOME DIGITAL TANGOS LIKE A BOSS!

lol. Thanks for commenting and watching.

Hugs.

MM

You may be right. Once the bugs are worked out of self learning/programing ( some breakthroughs these last few years in that area) and the ability to self design and manufacture there are all kinds of good and bad possibilities. 2045? man I don't know; in my life time I have heard and seen all kinds of things that were thought possible in another 10 years and that was over 50 years ago...Just 10 more years funding and they will have it etc etc. Fusion comes to mind....

I have actually been writing a short story (rough draft and to long already) about a pair of robots (when the mood strikes me) and their dealings with NSA and their abilities. Where the story leads I honestly do not know at this point for my stories usually tell themselves? www.abovetopsecret.com... anyway a terminator future or a wonderful helpmate and companion only time will tell..Thanks for the video S&F for your thoughts.

The Singularity already happened.

Two things about that.

1) You missed it.
2) You won't like it.



It would have to span languages right? To be understood world wide.

It would have to involve technology in some key, yet to be recognized way.

It would have to be something that will become more undeniable as years pass,
and people or historians look back for that defining moment.

And lastly,
It would have to have been anticipated by a ton of people,
all of whom were ridiculed in their own day.





Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you
December 21st, 2012.

On December 21, 2012, his music video for "Gangnam Style" exceeded 1 billion views on YouTube, becoming the first and currently only video to do so in the website's history.

Psy / wikipedia

>.>
I told you, you wouldn't like it.


Mike Grouchy


/dances off stage

Originally posted by 727Sky
You may be right.

THAT would be a first!

Once the bugs are worked out of self learning/programing ( some breakthroughs these last few years in that area) and the ability to self design and manufacture there are all kinds of good and bad possibilities.

Yes, there are so many breakthroughs coming in at speeds quite impressive. I am not convinced this leads to a singularity tho...but I am not unconvinced. I remained open minded and interested.

2045? man I don't know; in my life time I have heard and seen all kinds of things that were thought possible in another 10 years and that was over 50 years ago...Just 10 more years funding and they will have it etc etc. Fusion comes to mind....

Tho 2045 is the prediction of one man (not me), I will say in "my lifetime" I have seen amazing things come to fruition. And in my parent's lifetime they have seen the invention of computer technology as a whole. And there are people alive today who can remember when electricity was a novelty and not in every town around the world, never mind home.

So yknow...the sky is the limit.

I have actually been writing a short story (rough draft and to long already) about a pair of robots (when the mood strikes me) and their dealings with NSA and their abilities. Where the story leads I honestly do not know at this point for my stories usually tell themselves? www.abovetopsecret.com... anyway a terminator future or a wonderful helpmate and companion only time will tell..Thanks for the video S&F for your thoughts.

I will surly get to reading that when I have time. I'm a sucker for some technological fiction.

Hugs bro, thanks for watching and commenting. And hopefully- one way or another- we won't be destroyed by super computers (or super stupid humans) anytime soon.

MM

reply to post by mikegrouchy



You are a sick man...and I hope you are one who is wrong.

But chances are...you are not.

DAMN YOU!

MM

Originally posted by Mr Mask
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

You are a sick man...and I hope you are one who is wrong.

But chances are...you are not.

DAMN YOU!

MM

LOL!

/salute Mr Mask




Two months before...




Have you _ever_ seen this many people at a concert singing along and dancing all at once? You can barely hear him over the crowd.


Mike Grouchy

reply to post by mikegrouchy


HOLY CRAP-O-LAH!

Dude...seriously...I rather the robots inject my brain with nanotech that makes me into a zombie...than become one of those people in that crowd.

Save us robots...save us!


EDITED TO ADD- That seriously SERIOUSLY scares the crap out of me. Dr Skinner would be proud.
MM

Originally posted by Mr Mask
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

HOLY CRAP-O-LAH!

Dude...seriously...I rather the robots inject my brain with nanotech that makes me into a zombie...than become one of those people in that crowd.

Save us robots...save us!

MM

A natural reaction for me too,
being raised a fierce individualist in America/England.
But maybe we are too jaded about what it is to be from America/England.
The rest of the world wants in on the fun.




The day of...





Apparently this song doesn't just speak to people of all Nations,
(type any country name + gangnam into youtube)
it also speaks to the very very young.


Mike Grouchy



/horsey dance

[edit]

Psy speaking at Oxford

[2nd edit]

'A perfect post-lunch tension buster.'*

'A perfect post-lunch tension buster.' PM and Mayor of London dance holding hands.

That's how Prime Minister David Cameron and
Mayor of London Boris Johnson's festive dance
was described by one witness.

reply to post by mikegrouchy


Media-produced mind weapons is another subject I am passionate about. 2 video-games and one TV show is the only media I allow in my head. And even that scares me and makes me question my own identity as a human.

But what you just showed me terrified me. No exaggeration.

A 4x4 beat structure, flashing images, and a chanted mantra...that is all that is needed to program the masses when they leave their minds unguarded.

If you ever see me goose-stepping to a primitive beat alongside a few million drooling drones...please...slap me.

Seriously...that just freaks me out more than I can ever explain. What else scares me is there is no lack of people who will argue its harmless.

Wow...scary.

MM

Originally posted by Mr Mask
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

Media-produced mind weapons is another subject I am passionate about. 2 video-games and one TV show is the only media I allow in my head. And even that scares me and makes me question my own identity as a human.

But what you just showed me terrified me. No exaggeration.

A 4x4 beat structure, flashing images, and a chanted mantra...that is all that is needed to program the masses when they leave their minds unguarded.

If you ever see me goose-stepping to a primitive beat alongside a few million drooling drones...please...slap me.

Seriously...that just freaks me out more than I can ever explain. What else scares me is there is no lack of people who will argue its harmless.

Wow...scary.

MM

I hear ya man! I hear you.

But I don't think the controllers or the powers-that-be
either planned, or were behind this one.
They could only try to reposition themselves quickly
before they missed the bus.

Look at how weak the crowd in New York is on new years eve...
Only small numbers there really feel or understand it.
Fun. Fun with no one's permission.
Fun without being told-to.



The month after ....




New Year's Rockin Eve
January 1st, 2013
New York City,
New York


[edit]

That and he committed a grave sin
in the eyes of the ministers of pop-culture in the West.
He resurrected the dead career of Mc Hammer.

Remember the guy who was a gangster rapper,
that was destroyed for singing about prayer.

Nice commentary, I have to hand it to you Ray, oh I mean "Mr. Mask". Though the simulation argument was around before 2004, no one was able to prove that it was possible to simulate consciousness, furthermore no one had any idea how to actually simulate consciousness on a computer.

Most of the arguments against A.I. were based on an interpretation of Godel's incompleteness theorem. Since computers must use a fixed algorithm to compute their decisions there will be statements about numbers that are true but not provable within the system, since the human mind can prove more statements about numbers than can a computer (this hasn't been proven adequately, now I don't think it is even possible to prove it) then the human mind must not be computable. In other words since it appears as if the human mind can think outside of any axiomatic system, it must not be computable.

There is an exception to this and that is, the set of "axioms" that govern physics. For if physics governs our brains, then it must govern our minds hence, it must govern our ability to develop and prove axiomatic systems. So, it is the ultimate axiomatic system from which all others must follow. More importantly this is one possible axiomatic system our minds cannot think outside of, hence we are computable.

We could have gotten to this result quicker and more directly by simply saying; the brain is a physical object, governed by the laws of physics, since the known laws of physics are computable (in principle) then the brain is computable (in principle) hence the mind and thereby intelligence is computable in principle.

Oh by the way, have anyone ever heard any of the recorded audio lectures by Richard Feynman? He sounds like Joe Pesci from Goodfellas, but he is still considered a genius.

Originally posted by deloprator20000
Nice commentary, I have to hand it to you Ray, oh I mean "Mr. Mask".

Looks like I need to invent a better voice changing technology...gee thanks for outing me...jerk.

Though the simulation argument was around before 2004, no one was able to prove that it was possible to simulate consciousness, furthermore no one had any idea how to actually simulate consciousness on a computer.

Agreed. Unproven and STILL questionable beyond a grain of salt...heck, even beyond a few buckets full.

But still one I lean more towards "possible" than "impossible".

Most of the arguments against A.I. were based on an interpretation of Godel's incompleteness theorem.

Gödel's incompleteness theorems and arguments are so interesting and above my level of full comprehension. And even tho I lack the mental power to dispute such theorems- there are those who do so for me. Finsler, Wittgenstein, Zermelo, all do so with vigor and determination. Tho some say Wittgenstein misunderstood Gödel, and that Zermelo was outright confronted (and destroyed) by Gödel himself.

Either way, I am far too laymen and limited to enter that debate with gloves on, and I allow it all to go on without trying to start a fight about it lol.

But, all arguments and theorems mentioned, are old and based in a time with limited understanding of technological futures that are now in effect. I don't doubt Gödel...but I also think he had no idea what would become of computers even at the level we have them now.

There is an exception to this and that is, the set of "axioms" that govern physics. For if physics governs our brains, then it must govern our minds hence, it must govern our ability to develop and prove axiomatic systems. So, it is the ultimate axiomatic system from which all others must follow. More importantly this is one possible axiomatic system our minds cannot think outside of, hence we are computable.

That is how I feel (but you put it in a more clever way than I ever could). I fully think its a safe bet to assume that our minds work on physical laws and tho they are biological, they are still machines. They perform no magic, they break no laws. And to me that suggests we can create them.

Even if we must enter a realm of biological computers...I fully think it is possible.

We could have gotten to this result quicker and more directly by simply saying; the brain is a physical object, governed by the laws of physics, since the known laws of physics are computable (in principle) then the brain is computable (in principle) hence the mind and thereby intelligence is computable in principle.

Exactly. That is where I rest my weight of opinion. Everything inside the system is physical, and can be recreated given the proper tools and understanding. I even allow the possibility that "semi-intelligent" systems/computers may one day be created to figure out the stuff we can not...and in doing so, they will complete the A.I for us.

Then again...I can hardly comb my hair without a serious technical problem. So, what do I know?

Oh by the way, have anyone ever heard any of the recorded audio lectures by Richard Feynman? He sounds like Joe Pesci from Goodfellas, but he is still considered a genius.

Feynman WAS a genius for sure, and a hell of a speaker/lecturer. Some of his lectures till this day are still so mind blowing and applicable that they are worthy of multiple listens. "There's plenty of room at the bottom" being a whirlwind of thought.

I'd like to say I found your post here thought provoking and fun. And I see that you enjoy this subject as much, if not more, than I do. So thank you for taking the time to comment and being easy on my laymen views.

I will say that I fully believe we will create thinking machines of consciousness in the next 200 years tops. And I wouldn't be shocked to see it done in the next 50. I base this off of nothing more than what I've seen said, what I've seen done thus far with technology, and of course some personal views that are "out there".

The mind is finite and physical in my opinion. And that makes it a thing we can compute and recreate, and indeed enhance and/or augment. That's my opinion, and I respect those who disagree.

Anyway you view the matter...nobody can say we do not live in an amazing time of unpredictable technological marvels to come. Moore's law or no Moore's law.

Thanks for posting! Hugs!

MM