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Report: Muslim cleric invited to pray over fallen SEALs damns them during service

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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by nenothtu

Muslims as a group are typically people. Some people are "moderate", and some people are crazy.


Its the sheer proportion of Muslims who exhibit crazy opinions that is worrying.


• 1 in 8 American Muslims polled believe that Muhammad's critics should face the death penalty.

• Nearly Half of U.S. Muslims polled believe that critics of Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted

• 58% of US Muslims said criticism of their religion or of Muhammad should not be allowed under the Constitution.

• 1 in 8 British Muslims support demonstrators who call for the death of those who insult Islam

• 68% of British Muslims believe that people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

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Isn't that the same batch of statistics you gave above? Already dismissed. Quoting them twice doesn't give them any more relevance, although it's possible it may have doubled their relevance in a way - twice zero is STILL zero.




A peaceful Australian Muslim exercising his constitutional right to call for Australia to bring it criminal law on blasphemy in line with much of the Muslim world.



Wait.... WHAT? When did Australia make it a capital offense to speak blasphemy? Oh, they haven't? So, like, their way of living is still working for them, and this guy hasn't changed it to his? How about that! Well, hell, let's kill 'im anyhow - how DARE he speak his mind in an allegedly free nation! Who needs freedom of speech, anyhow?

OR - perhaps you are trying to say that some people should not be as equal as others? That the Constitution shouldn't apply to "those people"?

I dunno man. I don't recall anyone ever telling me that I defend it only to apply to white, Christian folk...




posted on May, 10 2013 @ 03:54 PM
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I'm taking the word of people in this thread, plus multiple sources online, plus looking at the record of the attorney filing the lawsuit.

I'm not an apologist at all, unless trying to find out the truth of what happened is an apologist. As for the families, do all of them speak Arabic? Or are they relying on the translation as provided by an attorney with a spotty record, at best? How do THEY know what he said?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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The muslims didn't do anything, The cleric was appointed by the pentagon


I detect a bit of anger....but I digress...the Obama administration aka the Pentagon appointed a cleric to attend a funeral of slain Navy Seals. This is just part of an ongoing thing with this admin...go on being the apologetic if you will.

You don't have to be snippy.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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That there is a fine line between Constructive criticism/Freedom of Speech . and total bull# /Hate speach. (Innocence of Muslims)


So you are saying because of that stupid film, the muslims have a right to have a radical Cleric present at a Christian funeral and utter verbal prayers of malintent(black magic actually)?

I say no way Jose! This is just nuts and the liberal pc crowd are all for it.


I may have wandered into the wrong thread and missed something - what "Christian Funeral" are we talking about here? I missed the part about there being a "Christian Funeral" - I don't think I've ever met a Muslim cleric who would agree to officiate one. How did they ever get a Muslim cleric to agree to officiate at a Christian Funeral?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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No, they appointed a Muslim cleric to oversee the funeral of 7 Afghan soldiers and 1 translator, that took place at the same time as a rampside service for Navy Seals, alongside a Christian service.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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I'm taking the word of people in this thread, plus multiple sources online


And the people on this thread are expert translators in Arabic?

Would you mind posting the source online which gives the most accurate translation of what the cleric said?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Zaphod58
 





I'm taking the word of people in this thread, plus multiple sources online


And the people on this thread are expert translators in Arabic?


Yes. Native speakers.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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I dont know, maybe that muslim you lay your head down next to every night just simply doesnt count since she is married to a Christian...

Who knows?

lol



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 0SolidSnake0
 





That there is a fine line between Constructive criticism/Freedom of Speech . and total bull# /Hate speach. (Innocence of Muslims)


So you are saying because of that stupid film, the muslims have a right to have a radical Cleric present at a Christian funeral and utter verbal prayers of malintent(black magic actually)?

I say no way Jose! This is just nuts and the liberal pc crowd are all for it.


I may have wandered into the wrong thread and missed something - what "Christian Funeral" are we talking about here? I missed the part about there being a "Christian Funeral" - I don't think I've ever met a Muslim cleric who would agree to officiate one. How did they ever get a Muslim cleric to agree to officiate at a Christian Funeral?




Oh you're right, it wasn't a Christian funeral, it was a funeral for the Navy Seals where it was forbidden to have any references to Christianity. Sorry, my BAD!!!!!!

Also, I don't know which article you are reading but I was reading the Washington Times article in the OP which said:

the families complained that “military brass, while prohibiting any mention of a Judeo-Christian God, invited a Muslim cleric to the funeral for the fallen Navy SEAL Team VI heroes


www.washingtontimes.com...

So there were 7 Afghan men in the Navy Seal funeral? I'm confused on this issue. I don't remember saying he officiated either.
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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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He read verse from the Koran. Does a Preacher not read verse from a bible?

quran.com...




Surat Al-Ĥashr (The Exile) - سورة الحشر This is a portion of the entire surah. View more context, or the entire surah. 59:20 to top Sahih International Not equal are the companions of the Fire and the companions of Paradise. The companions of Paradise - they are the attainers [of success].

59:21 to top Sahih International If We had sent down this Qur'an upon a mountain, you would have seen it humbled and coming apart from fear of Allah . And these examples We present to the people that perhaps they will give thought.


And if you want a different translation from another website about the Koran go a head. Don't take the word of one website. Look up a copy of the Koran for yourself. Surah 59:20 – 59:21 of the Koran. A picture would also be good because in the Koran the English is directly next to the original Arabic.
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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 0SolidSnake0
 





That there is a fine line between Constructive criticism/Freedom of Speech . and total bull# /Hate speach. (Innocence of Muslims)


So you are saying because of that stupid film, the muslims have a right to have a radical Cleric present at a Christian funeral and utter verbal prayers of malintent(black magic actually)?

I say no way Jose! This is just nuts and the liberal pc crowd are all for it.


I may have wandered into the wrong thread and missed something - what "Christian Funeral" are we talking about here? I missed the part about there being a "Christian Funeral" - I don't think I've ever met a Muslim cleric who would agree to officiate one. How did they ever get a Muslim cleric to agree to officiate at a Christian Funeral?




Oh you're right, it wasn't a Christian funeral, it was a funeral for the Navy Seals where it was forbidden to have any references to Christianity. Sorry, my BAD!!!!!!


Check again. It was a joint memorial for the soldiers who died in the Chinook crash in Afghanistan in 2011. Some were SEALs, and some were - GASP - Afghans! I heard a nasty little rumor that some of those Afghan people might be.... Muslims!



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 0SolidSnake0
 





The muslims didn't do anything, The cleric was appointed by the pentagon


I detect a bit of anger....but I digress...the Obama administration aka the Pentagon appointed a cleric to attend a funeral of slain Navy Seals. This is just part of an ongoing thing with this admin...go on being the apologetic if you will.

You don't have to be snippy.


Apologotic ? You said and I quote "...the muslims have a right to have a radical Cleric present at a Christian funeral "
The Pentagon appointed the cleric, He was there for the afghani soldiers, so it wasn't a christian funeral it was a joint one. I speak Arabic Natively. He said Nothing that damned him. He recited verses from the Quran that are usually part of what is recited during muslims funerals , and he said a small prayer at the end: "May god forgive your sins, have mercy on your soul and enter you to the heavens above".



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by OpinionatedB
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I dont know, maybe that muslim you lay your head down next to every night just simply doesnt count since she is married to a Christian...

Who knows?

lol


Oh, she counts alright - even if she was foolish enough to marry a nasty old "not muslim"! I can't be a Christian, though - I believe in upholding the First Amendment for everyone, not just the "right" people!

Could it be that I simply made her forget how to speak Arabic?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Isn't that the same batch of statistics you gave above? Already dismissed.


I thought you just tried to spin them away by saying all groups of people have some moderates and some crazies.

It's the worryingly large proportion of crazies within Islam that is the problem.


• 1 in 8 American Muslims polled believe that Muhammad's critics should face the death penalty.

• Nearly Half of U.S. Muslims polled believe that critics of Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted

• 58% of US Muslims said criticism of their religion or of Muhammad should not be allowed under the Constitution.

• 1 in 8 British Muslims support demonstrators who call for the death of those who insult Islam

• 68% of British Muslims believe that people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

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I'm quite concerned about the 1 in 8 British and American Muslims who want people killed for criticizing Islam.


Originally posted by nenothtu

How about that! Well, hell, let's kill 'im anyhow - how DARE he speak his mind in an allegedly free nation! Who needs freedom of speech, anyhow?


That's where you and I disagree. I don't agree that people should be allowed to call for others to be killed for criticizing their religion.






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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 0SolidSnake0
 





That there is a fine line between Constructive criticism/Freedom of Speech . and total bull# /Hate speach. (Innocence of Muslims)


So you are saying because of that stupid film, the muslims have a right to have a radical Cleric present at a Christian funeral and utter verbal prayers of malintent(black magic actually)?

I say no way Jose! This is just nuts and the liberal pc crowd are all for it.


I may have wandered into the wrong thread and missed something - what "Christian Funeral" are we talking about here? I missed the part about there being a "Christian Funeral" - I don't think I've ever met a Muslim cleric who would agree to officiate one. How did they ever get a Muslim cleric to agree to officiate at a Christian Funeral?




Oh you're right, it wasn't a Christian funeral, it was a funeral for the Navy Seals where it was forbidden to have any references to Christianity. Sorry, my BAD!!!!!!


Check again. It was a joint memorial for the soldiers who died in the Chinook crash in Afghanistan in 2011. Some were SEALs, and some were - GASP - Afghans! I heard a nasty little rumor that some of those Afghan people might be.... Muslims!



You don't have to be ingratiating. For the record my husband speaks both classical Arabic and Tunisian dialect. In case you thought I was just being racist. But some people are radical and some people are not, and that, as you said already, can be anyone in any group of people.

I do admit though I don't know the background of this Klayman guy.

What I can tell you though is that I don't trust anything this current administration does and I am certain that Obama is working toward a radical agenda which gives certain groups of people certain advantages.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Oh you're right, it wasn't a Christian funeral, it was a funeral for the Navy Seals where it was forbidden to have any references to Christianity. Sorry, my BAD!!!!!!


You need to check the BS...I posted the full video link earlier...BH posted to a Blaze article...they had a FULLL Christian Service.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:27 PM
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That's where you and I disagree. I don't feel people should be allowed to call for others to be killed for criticizing their religion.


Yes, this does sound a bit antithetical to the whole "separation of Church and State" thing...and somehow the Obama people are just eliminating anything Christian....plus killing anyone is always subject to a court trial. But then I am hearing that Sharia Law is being promoted in the UK and it wouldn't surprise me to see it here.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Oh you're right, it wasn't a Christian funeral, it was a funeral for the Navy Seals where it was forbidden to have any references to Christianity. Sorry, my BAD!!!!!!


You need to check the BS...I posted the full video link earlier...BH posted to a Blaze article...they had a FULLL Christian Service.


Well then some people are saying one thing and others another. Who am I to believe you and BH or Nenothu or the Washington Times?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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Don't take my words out of context, and I already cleared up the part where I thought it was a Christian funeral.

But I can see where you are going with this.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
How about that! Well, hell, let's kill 'im anyhow - how DARE he speak his mind in an allegedly free nation! Who needs freedom of speech, anyhow?

OR - perhaps you are trying to say that some people should not be as equal as others? That the Constitution shouldn't apply to "those people"?


If you feel a Muslim is merely exercising his constitutional right by calling for me to be executed if I criticize his religion, would another poster be merely be exercising his constitutional right if he called for your execution if you criticized his opinion?





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