Report: Muslim cleric invited to pray over fallen SEALs damns them during service

Originally posted by ollncasino

I'm quite concerned about the 1 in 8 British and American Muslims who want people killed for criticizing Islam.

Oh, I must have misunderstood - I can now see clearly that you have no regard whatsoever for the SEVEN OUT OF EIGHT who do not, i.e. the clear and vast majority. Have you got any statistics that break that down on each side of the pond? How much of that number is British, and how much is American? Once you get that figured out, how do they compare as an overall percentage of the population? What I'm getting at here is just how dangerous ARE these folks? You seriously think they are dangerous enough to justify your knee-jerk reaction demonizing all Muslims? Even that vast majority that (by YOUR OWN statistics) DOESN'T agree?

Where will you find any friends to guard your back in these dangerous times like that?

Originally posted by nenothtu
How about that! Well, hell, let's kill 'im anyhow - how DARE he speak his mind in an allegedly free nation! Who needs freedom of speech, anyhow?

That's where you and I disagree. I don't feel people should be allowed to call for others to be killed for criticizing their religion.

You're right, we disagree. I've seen perfectly useful men bleed out their last so that folks can say any damned thing they want under the First Amendment. I'm not sure, but I've heard that Australia has lost a few fine young men to that same process of defense.

Some of those dead men were Muslims, and they had never set foot in America. Died all the same.

Damned straight we disagree.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Yes. Native speakers.

Your wife speaks classical 7th Century Arabic?

Ok so I've gone over the Blaze article, and the translations look pretty mean to me. Also the Blaze does clear up the murky idea that there were no references to the Christian God allowed... I personally have no problem with an interfaith funeral or marriage...I am just concerned about the specific prayer used. Couldn't the cleric have been a bit less caustic?


So who on this thread was the Arabic translator who knows better?

Here is what the expert quoted on the Blaze said,

“Even a standard prayer is actually a little bit offensive because … it comes from a book of the Koran or a chapter of the Koran that’s basically about defeating the infidels. And [in exploring the issue] I basically showed that there were two verses quoted in the funeral rite.

If you back it up one verse, it gives you the greater context of the fact that the people who are not Muslim are condemned to hell, by those prayers and so I basically showed that. So my point isn’t that the imam was deliberately inflammatory — my point was that it’s inflammatory even when they’re not trying to, because it goes to the issue of the fundamental and irreconcilable difference between Islamic orientation and a non-Muslim orientation.”

www.theblaze.com... al/

Not exactly the same as "ashes to ashes dust to dust" is it?

i took the time to read most of the comments in this thread ... obviously, most of you have not.

The Koran is a reminder for those who are alive. You, the one who is reading this statement, are alive. People choose whatever they may as an object of worship. The *only* object of worship that deserves worship is the one and only creator and sustainer of everything in existence. With this in mind, human beings fall into three categories: 1. those who know and act on what they know. 2. those who know and act contrary to what they know. 3. those who do not know and act on a guess.

what this person said at the funeral is from the Koran, chapter 59. it is not going anywhere and it is not going to change. perhaps the reader may take the reminder to heart and benefit. as I mentioned earlier, the Koran is a reminder for those who are alive. Those who are dead have already met their fate.

Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad all advise to you to worship your Lord and shun the false deities, be a monothiest, worship your Lord without giving him a partner when He Alone Created you, and be concerned over where you will spend eternity. The Justice and Wisdom of the Creator is Perfect beyond comprehension.

if you are going to follow what is right, you may be in the minority as the majority of people are often astray.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

You don't have to be ingratiating. For the record my husband speaks both classical Arabic and Tunisian dialect. In case you thought I was just being racist. But some people are radical and some people are not, and that, as you said already, can be anyone in any group of people.

You should get your husband to listen to the video, and tell you himself what is being said then. If that's the case, there is really no need for you to take the word of the Arabic speakers in this thread. You have an inside track.

I do admit though I don't know the background of this Klayman guy.

What I can tell you though is that I don't trust anything this current administration does and I am certain that Obama is working toward a radical agenda which gives certain groups of people certain advantages.

I don't know anything much about Klayman, either, other than the fact he was pushing a fake "translation" to grieving family members of dead service men, and that is not a thing I can abide by, nor let rest.

I don't trust anything the Obama administration does, either - but I am NOT going to take it out on Muslims if Obama and his minions are the culprits.

In this case, however, it appears that Klayman is the culprit, although the door was opened for him by a good-intentioned, but bone-headed Pentagon decision.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by nenothtu

Yes. Native speakers.

Your wife speaks classical 7th Arabic?

Classical Arabic is thought in every Arabic school

reply to post by nenothtu

You should get your husband to listen to the video, and tell you himself what is being said then

I may do this, but then if he decides not to divulge the more caustic parts in order to not upset me, then what?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by nenothtu

 

You should get your husband to listen to the video, and tell you himself what is being said then

I may do this, but then if he decides not to divulge the more caustic parts in order to not upset me, then what?

So you got more than two people who speak arabic natively here. and you still refuse to accept the facts.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Oh you're right, it wasn't a Christian funeral, it was a funeral for the Navy Seals where it was forbidden to have any references to Christianity. Sorry, my BAD!!!!!!

You need to check the BS...I posted the full video link earlier...BH posted to a Blaze article...they had a FULLL Christian Service.

Well then some people are saying one thing and others another. Who am I to believe you and BH or Nenothu or the Washington Times?

It was a joint service, with both Christian and Muslim speakers. Both Christians and Muslims died in the crash. the Pentagon, in one of their less lucid moments (which are MOST of their moments), decided it would be a good bridge-building exercise to have speakers from both worlds deliver the service, and so they had both speak. Klayman tried to edit out all of the Christian speaker's words, although he was unsuccessful and missed a few, and then mistranslated the Muslim speaker's words, and presented THAT mistranslation to the grieving families to try to drum up another court case, it appears.

I recommend that you not believe ANY of us, however, and dig into it for yourself.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by nenothtu
How about that! Well, hell, let's kill 'im anyhow - how DARE he speak his mind in an allegedly free nation! Who needs freedom of speech, anyhow?

OR - perhaps you are trying to say that some people should not be as equal as others? That the Constitution shouldn't apply to "those people"?

If you feel a Muslim is merely exercising his constitutional right by calling for me to be executed if I criticize his religion, would another poster be merely be exercising his constitutional right if he called for your execution if you criticized his opinion?

Yes. that is his right. I've got scars that say he has that right. He can say any damned thing he pleases. He can even say it directly to me, loudly if he wishes, and get away with it. He may encounter a degree if difficulty if he tries to act on it, however.

How damned many times are you going to post that silly picture in this thread? Agenda much? Have you paid to use it a certain number of times, and are trying to get your quota in?

Originally posted by nenothtu

You seriously think they are dangerous enough to justify your knee-jerk reaction demonizing all Muslims?

I can understand your attitude, in light of the fact that you are marrying a Muslim.

I have no wish to insult you.

On the other hand, the vast majority of Muslims no more identify with radical Muslims that you and I do.

Radical Muslims do exist and they exist in worryingly high numbers.

Originally posted by 0SolidSnake0

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by nenothtu

 

You should get your husband to listen to the video, and tell you himself what is being said then

I may do this, but then if he decides not to divulge the more caustic parts in order to not upset me, then what?

So you got more than two people who speak arabic natively here. and you still refuse to accept the facts.

I still haven't seen any other translation than the ones on the Blaze. Did someone post alternative translations? Cause I admit I haven't read every page here.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by nenothtu

Yes. Native speakers.

Your wife speaks classical 7th Arabic?

Yes, she speaks Classical Arabic. It's sort of a necessary thing, since it's the language of the Qur'an. You'll find that a number of Muslims speak a local dialect as well as Classical. Local for day to day speech, and Classical for religious observation.

reply to post by nenothtu

It was a joint service, with both Christian and Muslim speakers. Both Christians and Muslims died in the crash. the Pentagon, in one of their less lucid moments (which are MOST of their moments), decided it would be a good bridge-building exercise to have speakers from both worlds deliver the service, and so they had both speak. Klayman tried to edit out all of the Christian speaker's words,

I'm beginning to see this now. The Blaze article actually cleared up some of this for me, and some of the pictures made this scenario more clear to me.

Unfortunately, some things are not going to be resolved, no matter how much we think we can put it behind us or how much we love others. Interfaith is a challenge which can be tricky.

My view is that both religions have stuff in them which overlooks some deeper meanings. I have had this conversation with him before. I think there is truth in all the major religions, and also each one has some relatively ummmm less Universal statements.
One of the deeper problems I see here in our nation is that liberal seculars are not willing to observe some of the more radical elements of some practitioners of Islam while freely condemning the Christian faith. I've seen it here time and again.
On the other side, there are people who are unwilling to accept differences in religion. Anyway, just because I love and adore a particular person doesn't mean I have to buy into any particular doctrinal error, which I believe is inherent in a number of religious faiths.
Honestly, I've seen you come down on people of the Christian faith on various threads. I do not see you as an unbiased person with an unbiased opinion, rather more of a secular siding with your spouse's religious faith.

I see both truth and doctrinal error in both religions and I see also what the secular humanist religion stands for, which is no absolutes of anything but only relative beliefs.

Originally posted by nenothtu

How damned many times are you going to post that silly picture in this thread? Agenda much? Have you paid to use it a certain number of times, and are trying to get your quota in?

It is a classic picture. Overweight McDonald's munching Western Islamic radical wants to bite the hand that feeds him.



I have plenty of others if you don't like that one?

Originally posted by 0SolidSnake0

So you got more than two people who speak arabic natively here. and you still refuse to accept the facts.

Both of you clearly have a dog in the race.

reply to post by SeenMyShare

It is time for Americans who are by nature Christian, to form an army to smash the NWO, Muslims idiots and the satanic cult of democrats running this country. How dare that loser ban mentioning of God at a funeral. Obama is not Muslim, he is flat out satanic. If my son was one of the men being buried that cleric would have been buried that day too.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Oh, I must have misunderstood - I can now see clearly that you have no regard whatsoever for the SEVEN OUT OF EIGHT who do not, i.e. the clear and vast majority.

7 out of 8 Italians are not in the Mafia yet the Mafia does an extremely good job of dominating Southern Italy.

Originally posted by nenothtu
Have you got any statistics that break that down on each side of the pond? How much of that number is British, and how much is American?

1 in 8 Muslims in both the UK and the USA support death for those who criticize Islam.

Originally posted by nenothtu
How about that! Well, hell, let's kill 'im anyhow - how DARE he speak his mind in an allegedly free nation! Who needs freedom of speech, anyhow?

If you called for my death, you would get arrested. What gives Islamic radicals a get out of jail free card? Political correctness?

Originally posted by ollncasino

7 out of 8 Italians are not in the Mafia yet the Mafia does an extremely good job of dominating Southern Italy.

edit on 10-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Once you compared Mafia with Islam. You lost ALL credibility.

Considering it was a Coptic Egyptian who translated it for this woman and her family. I wonder if it could be some of these same Coptic Egyptians that played these games. These Coptic Egyptians are tied to Scooter Libby and the Hudson Institute.

www.abovetopsecret.com...




These crazy Coptic Egyptians are also tied to crazy Pastor Terry Jones.