posted on Mar, 13 2014 @ 01:56 AM
Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
reply to post by SpearMint
no I really didn't expect people would,
I just ponder the mentality of subscribing to a skeptics opinion then refusing to put the time in to challenge your own beliefs.
I can understand people who say they don't know and are undecided because they don't have the time to research it for themselves,
I don't understand people who swear up and down that something such as this couldn't exist without researching it themselves,
anytime I find evidence that may contradict my own beliefs or opinions, im excited to look deeply into the matter as I love to reform what I know to
fit with the truth,
im trying to better understand the people who hold beliefs or opinions that are not based on research whom refuse to look at evidence even anecdotal
even when presented to them.
But just because people have experiences, it does not mean what they think it is, is truth. Many today believe the yogis, shamans and occultists who
state that we are all part of a 'cosmic consciousness". But how do those people get you to believe their "truth"? By exhorting the very practice
(mind alteration) which gave them their belief. But it does not prove their belief as a truth.
I always use the same example. How do parents convince their children that Santa exists? They leave out presents tagged "from Santa". Those kids
experience the presents and conclude that mom and dad hold the truth - Santa IS real. But as an adult, holding the real truth, we can see those
presents for what they really are - lying signs and wonders which convince children that an untruth is a truth. And in the same vein, many today
conclude that reincarnation is "truth" because people see ghosts or have "memories" (usually retrieved through mind altering practices). But here
is the caution: God states that "X" is the truth. Yet the world is believing that "Y" is the truth. Both use the same experiences as proof of X or
Y, and therefore we can all conclude that experiences do not and may not prove Truth. Lying signs and wonders can prove an untruth as truth, just as
the present tagged "from Santa" convince children of the truth that Santa is real.
Can you not see how erroneous your reasoning is when you are looking to all of these experiences and use them "to reform what you know to fit the
truth"? Like the kids on Christmas morning, you are choosing to define your truth based upon what you experience, entirely throwing out the
possibility that the presents indicate an altogether different REAL truth.
so in your lovely metaphor who is the parent placing the presents and tagging them in santa's name? what authority is providing these experiences and
framing them to be something they arent?
presents under the tree in the morning with santa's name on them are IRREFUTABLE evidence, that someone placed presents under that tree and put
santas name on them
, it is the childs decision to believe their parents are not lying to them when they say it was really santa and not them who
placed those presents,
likewise if one had a paranormal experience then the experience is not what is in question but rather the cause of the experience,
your metaphor and the way you use it in this argument is no less to say, because it was not santa who placed those presents under the tree, then those
presents do not actually exist, the children are hallucinating.
"There are few things as toxic as a bad metaphor. "
“There seem to be only two kinds of people: Those who think that metaphors are facts, and those who know that they are not facts. Those who know
they are not facts are what we call "atheists," and those who think they are facts are "religious." Which group really gets the message?”
Can you not see how erroneous your reasoning is when you are looking to all of these experiences and use them "to reform what you know to fit
the erroneous thinking here lies entirely with you, it is you who assumed
erroneously that those experiences and reading
them has reformed me and my own beliefs in any way.