I freakin love this gun billboard (features Native Americans)

reply to post by Bearack


Don't have to explain anything as the history was written for all to see.

Battles are meaningless compared to who "won" the war.

Who has been sitting on a government reservation for the last 200 years?

In fact that war united many Native Americans.

reply to post by roguetechie


Also, the Chinese like Linux because you can download the kernel for free, and MS probably had to do that to get any foothold.
I'm not saying it was a good thing, but it probably worked. Meantime, wealthy nations like the US had to fork over more money for the same product.

reply to post by neo96


Wait a second. In your previous post, your were arguing the merits of the details, specifically firepower. Now you are saying the details don't matter, but only who won?

We were trying to inform you that your notion of the disparity of firepower, and it's importance was slightly off and the firepower wasn't so disparate and wasn't so important.

reply to post by Galvatron


Firepower was the issue bows and arrows compared to guns?

No contest.

Even when the Natives picked up their "repeaters" they were still not enough because government forces still had superior firepower.

Originally posted by jrod

Originally posted by TauCetixeta


Stossel did a episode on the American Indians.

The U.S. Government threw free money at them and that took away the desire to

make money on their own.

BTW, i see you have very few flags.

Kind of tough to make your own money when your land has been taken from you and her natural resources that your people once depended on raped in the name of greed.


Also you have to start threads to get flags, many good members here simply don't like to start threads.

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Many American Indians have woken up and built very profitable casinos.

A brand new casino just popped up about 10 miles due east of Flagstaff, Arizona.

Twin Arrows Casino

reply to post by neo96


So why were the actual military engagements not so one-sided? As previous mentioned there was a lot more going on than a difference in armament. If you look at photos of native Americans in the 1870s, almost all had rifles.

The US military wasn't issued a repeating rifle until the mid 1890s (well after the indian wars) in the form of the 1892-99 Krag Jorgensen bolt action rifle. From the early 1870s until then, the US issue rifle was a single shot Springfield Trapdoor breach loading rifle. Lever action repeaters were not issued.

If you look at it, from just slightly before the American Civil War, all the way to the 1890s, so about 35 years, civilians had access to and were buying better firearms than what was issued to soldiers.

reply to post by Anonbeleiver77

A real man dosnt need a gun to feel like a man

I cannot believe you said that.... real men don't eat quiche either...

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Galvatron

 

Firepower was the issue bows and arrows compared to guns?

No contest.

Even when the Natives picked up their "repeaters" they were still not enough because government forces still had superior firepower.

Again, the US troops were organized and well maintained. The tribes that worked together were considerable foes to the US troops. The tribes that went the way of their own lost and at times lost considerably. Many of the tribes were blackballed into a treaty that ended their freedom.

I think you're missing the entire point of this discussion.

reply to post by Bearack

. Many of the tribes were blackballed into a treaty that ended their freedom.

What do people think gun control laws are?

Really?

Yeah someone did miss the entire point of the discussion.

Am I the only one that gets a fallout game serious feel to this billboard? Like all hanging off the side possibly some graffiti on it after awhile, like some Anarchy symbols. Hopefully it doesn't turn into a fallout type scenario but I wouldn't doubt it if it did happen.

It's all about control. The American Indian will be sacrificed by the Elite just like all the rest, on the altar of depopulation and Global Warming Environmentalism.

Additional efforts to strengthen the government-to-government relationship, protect lands and the environment and provide redress, address health care gaps, promote sustainable economic development,and protect Native American cultures are addressed

www.state.gov...


All code for centralized control of all the land and resources and saving the land from evil human parasites. Of course, no one will be living on the land, and everyone will be forced into govt settlements. It's part of the deal, they call it "relocation". Complete with all the bike paths so no one drives cars, and apartments so no one has real single family homes, and of course no guns because the people won't need them.

Dependency on the govt has turned Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota into one of Americas worst ghettos.

www.city-data.com...

www.city-data.com...

www.re-member.org...

So before you pro-govt people make your ignorant, pedantic comments about how the OP is just fear mongering take a look at the links I provided.

If the govt can do it to these once proud, resourceful, independant people what makes you think that they wont do it to you?

...and it all started with: "turn in your guns, govt will keep you safe."

Originally posted by Galvatron
reply to post by neo96

 

So why were the actual military engagements not so one-sided? As previous mentioned there was a lot more going on than a difference in armament. If you look at photos of native Americans in the 1870s, almost all had rifles.

Did they have any ammunition factories or rifle factories?

Who won?

When, in recent history, has any armed group successfully defended themselves successfully against armed forces of Federal, State or Local government using personal weapons?

When, in recent history have similar armed groups unsuccessfully attempted to do, resulting in their obliteration?

Are Black Panthers & LA gangs in 1992 a good example of militias exploiting their rights against government oppression?

Originally posted by redtic
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

From a pure advertising standpoint, it is a pretty good billboard - especially considering it comes from the right. But from a reality standpoint, of course, it's sensationalist, fear-mongering BS.

Calling a history lesson fear mongering is pure propaganda. It is a reality that the American Indians were slowly disarmed and had the line crossed on each deal until they had almost nothing left. Of course the ones that sucked up and betrayed their own people got to carry the guns and police them. I could say a number of catch phrases about you ignoring history and blah blah blah.

While most people were busy reading whatever paragraph was called on to recite I was the kid looking at my history book thinking... wtf oh my God I am in hell!!!

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by Galvatron
reply to post by neo96

 

So why were the actual military engagements not so one-sided? As previous mentioned there was a lot more going on than a difference in armament. If you look at photos of native Americans in the 1870s, almost all had rifles.

Did they have any ammunition factories or rifle factories?

Who won?

When, in recent history, has any armed group successfully defended themselves successfully against armed forces of Federal, State or Local government using personal weapons?

When, in recent history have similar armed groups unsuccessfully attempted to do, resulting in their obliteration?

Are Black Panthers & LA gangs in 1992 a good example of militias exploiting their rights against government oppression?

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Funny enough, the LA riots were comprised of people, who for the most part, didn't have firearms. Look at the korea town stuff on the LA riots. The ethnic Korean population was relatively well armed and subsequently their stores weren't looted or burned to the ground.

"has any armed group successfully defended themselves successfully against armed forces of Federal, State or Local government using personal weapons?"

Read about the battle of Athens Tennessee. en.wikipedia.org...
A movie was even made about it.

What about Libyan's freeing themselves from Qaddafi? What about Syrians? What about Northern Ireland? Just because it doesn't happen often in the US doesn't invalidate the point that an armed society presents a credible threat of force against its government.

reply to post by muse7


What does it take to own to gun in NYC? In Chicago?

Nuff said.

So were the founders on the good side or the bad side here? Cause they are the ones who wrote these laws that you cling to (well, a couple of them anyway). Yet you all (who are in love with this billboard) seem to also, at this point, be painting them in a negative light also. If they are wrong in decimating the Native American population, bringing greed, deceptiveness, rape, pillaging, and seriously destructive war and genocide (well, and slavery, female subjugation, etc), then who is to say that they made all the best decisions when writing the laws at that time?

Originally posted by ezwip
Calling a history lesson fear mongering is pure propaganda. It is a reality that the American Indians were slowly disarmed and had the line crossed on each deal until they had almost nothing left. Of course the ones that sucked up and betrayed their own people got to carry the guns and police them. I could say a number of catch phrases about you ignoring history and blah blah blah.

Yeah, right - they put this up as a history lesson... riiiight. They put this up to scare people into thinking the current gov't wants to take their guns, which they don't.

Originally posted by lme7898354
Native Americans got screwed royally. It's not much consolation to have a few cassino's to compensate them. If I were Native American I would be really pissed.

Our ancient ancestors knew that the white man would defeat us as a nation, this was foretold in our prophecies. The reason we allowed this to happen to a great extent is because we knew of the prophecy, that the Great Spirit would not return until we were conquered by the white man. I agree the casinos are no compensation, and I have seen many a tribe suffer from greed due to the casinos, the strongest tribes spiritually are the tribes that opted out of having casinos in my opinion but this may differ from tribe to tribe. I have seen some tribes dwindle because they didn't want to share the casino winnings with so many tribesmen. The Great Flying Spirit will return soon.

Just like the Indians(the original Americans), never trust the government.

To modify a famous quote, a government that is big enough to give you everything and protect you is big enough to take it all away and screw you up the bung hole.

I LOVE the billboard.