I freakin love this gun billboard (features Native Americans)

reply to post by babybunnies


Please read the thread. Everything you said has been, for the most part, adequately refuted. The Native Americans were wiped out for a myriad of reasons, fireapower being way way down on the list.

History has shown armed rebellion/resistance/revolution to be entirely more effective than peaceful resistance. I think what Ghandi did was amazing, but it quite literally is a statistical outlier in the grand scheme of history. Very seldom does a peaceful revolt get the desired results (usually the dismantlement of the existing government structure.

Please read this page of the thread. Numerous examples in quite recent history have been cited.

Originally posted by InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

More Guns wouldn't and didn't help native Americans do anything except commit suicide with more flourish. Maybe that's a conservative thing too? How about reading history instead of indulging your sick fetishes?

So let me get this straight...We Natives were committing suicide with less flourish prior to the arrival of guns? What the hell kind of statement is that?

Originally posted by Rezlooper

Originally posted by InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

More Guns wouldn't and didn't help native Americans do anything except commit suicide with more flourish. Maybe that's a conservative thing too? How about reading history instead of indulging your sick fetishes?

So let me get this straight...We Natives were committing suicide with less flourish prior to the arrival of guns? What the hell kind of statement is that?

It's insulting and ignorant.

If natives had more rifles, what would have happened in 1880? The US Army would have deployed machine guns and mowed them down even more brutally.

Political correctness is the philosophy of cowards and deserves a bullet to the head!

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Rezlooper

This billboard is only in Greeley, CO, and a local professor/Native American, who heads the Ethics department at a local university came out complaining that it is offensive to her Native American heritage. How? Obviously, this professor is a liberal anti-gun Obama supporter who would rather see the guns taken away. She was only upset because the billboard speaks volumes of truth...

Seeing as you seem to be confused on this Professors area of study...you don't appear to have actually read any of her concerns? And then you go on to explain what her beliefs are?

She is a Professor of Ethnic studies...not Ethics...BTW

And instead of telling us "Obviously, this professor is a liberal anti-gun Obama supporter "..

Why not read her concerns?

Irene Vernon, a Colorado State University professor and chairwoman of the ethnic studies department, said the message on the billboard is taking a narrow view of a much more complicated history of the Native American plight. She said it's not as if Native Americans just gave up their guns and wound up on reservations.

"It wasn't just about our guns," said Vernon, a Native American.

Greeley resident Maureen Brucker, who has worked with Native American organizations and who frequents the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota as an honorary family member, said she thinks the billboards are making light of atrocities the federal government committed against Native Americans.

She said the billboard brings to her mind one of the most horrendous examples of that, the Wounded Knee Massacre on the Pine Ridge Reservation in 1890. Historical accounts say the 7th Cavalry had detained a band of Native Americans and asked them to give up their weapons. Troops began firing after a shot rang out. Death toll estimates of Native American men, women and children range from 150 to 300.

Brucker said she thinks those who put up the billboards should come forward and to discuss their viewpoints.

"I thought it was pretty cowardly that someone would put something like that up and spend the money for a billboard but didn't have the courage to put their name on it," she said.

www.denverpost.com...

I agree...

The idea that the American Gov. confiscated guns CAUSE

American Indians oppressed and suffering EFFECT

Is FALSE...

It dismisses a noble resistance over the years...
And the number of weapons the American Indians had played no part in the result...

And the fact that thier heritage is used as a prop by people to cowardly to put thier name on the campaign compounds the insult.

No one can speak for the Native Americans, but them IMO..

edit on 1-5-2013 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

Obviously I made a type O, Ethics vs. Ethnics. Thanks for pointing that out in such a rude way, btw. And, who do you speak for? Do you speak for the professor? Are you saying that she isn't a liberal Obama supporting gun control advocate? I don't know her or what her actual politics is but I do know (especially now after reading through all the responses in this thread) that Natives are not offended by this billboard. There is only one Native out of the many on here that said they were offended by the billboard. And she attempts to speak for all Natives by saying it's offensive to us when in fact we don't find it offensive at all and a huge majority of us do support the message of this billboard.

Many Natives may vote democrat but there are very few who will allow anyone to mess with our guns!!!

reply to post by Rezlooper


As the great-great-great grandson of Geronimo (known to his people as Goyakla or Goyathlay), I think that billboard is a great piece of wisdom.

Another one i've seen is "Sure you can trust the Government... just ask an Indian!"

But my favorite is "America... Love it or GIVE IT BACK!"

Originally posted by Galvatron

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by Bearack

 

Or the tanks , rockets and ak clones would have been turned on the crowd and thousands more dead

do you really think a well armed militia could take on a profesional military in the c21?
?

Yes. Are you unaware of the conflict in Afghanistan? What about Libya? What about Syria? What about South Ossetia? What about the Yugoslav Civil War? Do you believe that the people in these areas are not able to resist modern militaries? Would they be more effective with missiles, artillery, tanks, planes etc? They sure would. However, the modern small arm is precisely why these people were able to or are able to project credible force. Regardless of right or wrong, good or bad, modern small arms give people this that power.

Do you think the Taliban would be in control of the Afghan countryside if it weren't for their access to modern small arms? Do you think coalition forces there would have such a tough time? In the 80s the afghans effectively resisted the soviet union, armed mainly with WWII era Lee-Enfield bolt action rifles.

To suggest that a well armed militia can't take on a modern military is to not only ignore military history, but to ignore contemporary history as well. Considering the structure of our government and the demographics of our military, one must consider that a very large proportion of our own military would rather side with the people than with the government. The armed militia is in case the military doesn't fracture, and if it does, then the armed militia, combined with the fractured military that side with the people, ought to be enough to dismantle the government and start fresh.

Amen! Aho! Well said

Originally posted by muse7
Pointless billboard as no one is even asking anyone to turn in their guns.

And yes I am pro-background check
Pro-only letting law abiding citizens be able to buy guns
And pro-closing any loopholes that enable criminals to bypass a background check in order to buy a gun.

You people who trust the USGov so much are such a curious breed…

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by Bearack

 

haha funny how you use stats picked from the uks most leftist broadsheet paper

And you do realise that statistics have to be weighted to be any use whatsoever , this isnt mean, median or mode calculations .Or anything as simple as averages.

The fight for independance was won with help from france

the mujahideen are fighting in a whole country not a city square..slight difference there.

And America lost the v war , the Nvietnamese didnt really win , you gave up.

yugoslav civil war fought by groups as well armed as any army .

the mujahidden were loosing badly against the russian untill the cia provided them with arms , especially stinger missiles via IRAN ..do you remember tyhat?

edit on 1-5-2013 by gambon because: (no reason given)

You help prove a point...a well-armed populace here in America would receive heavy support as well from other countries if civil war were to break out between the common folks and our government. I'm sure there would be countries lining up to send in arms for the populace. Now, on the other hand, if our government successfully gets the populace to disarm, then any revolution would be squashed so quickly that other countries wouldn't have time help. The well-armed populace of this country is what has sustained it's freedom for so long. The United States Constitution is the longest living document that governs any nation in the world, but that would be in serious jeopardy if the government succeeds in disarming the peeps!

And BTW, the founding fathers created the US Constitution with a lot of influence from the Iroquois Confederacy constitution called the Great Law of Peace. This was a confederacy of six Indian tribes and their constitution which called for freedom of religion and expression and other principles that the US Constitution was based on.

H. Con. Res. 331 was passed in October 1988 to acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the development of the United States Constitution, and to reaffirm the continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution. Congress, on the occasion of the 200th anniversary of the signing of the United States Constitution, "acknowledged the historical debt which this Republic of the United States of America owes to the Iroquois Confederacy and other Indian Nations for their demonstration of enlightened, democratic principles of government and their example of a free association of independent Indian Nations."

Check here for the full Congressional resolution

reply to post by Rezlooper


Are the American Indians pro gun control? I didn't know that. I do know the Democratic National Convention trotted them out with flags as a show off that they have Indians in their corner as a voting bloc. And who would have ever guessed that? Lame Cherry blog talked about the Indian connection with the casinos and how white politicians were completely crooked about it.
But it really makes sense for indigenous peoples to be whatever the Power Elite wants them to be as the UN has recruited them as being the downtrodden finally rising up. This is more Marxism of course, as the billboard clearly shows, the govt lies and the people die.
In fact Obama gave up more of our sovereign rights as a nation when he signed us on to the UN Declaration of the Rights of the Indigenous Peoples.
As always in Marxism, it appears that this administration and the UN would care about righting past wrongs done to these people by an errant govt, when in fact it has to have more control at the root, because that is the nature of Marxism. It is a wicked lie.
I am speaking about the UN Agenda 21 because that is the plan for worldwide UN control of all the lands and the resources by an Elite.
My personal intuition from what I know about Agenda 21, is the Elites have probably sweetalked the indigenous peoples of many countries into believing that if they go with the program, they will get at least some of their land back.
Should the UN be trusted? Defintiely not, I think. But that's just me.
It's the same thing with gun control. They couldn't get the Small Arms Treaty supported so suddenly there all these publicized mass shootings and voila! the pretext for stricter gun control.

Like the wife of Braveheart said in his dream "Wake up William, wake up!"

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

Are the American Indians pro gun control? I didn't know that. I do know the Democratic National Convention trotted them out with flags as a show off that they have Indians in their corner as a voting bloc. And who would have ever guessed that? Lame Cherry blog talked about the Indian connection with the casinos and how white politicians were completely crooked about it.
But it really makes sense for indigenous peoples to be whatever the Power Elite wants them to be as the UN has recruited them as being the downtrodden finally rising up. This is more Marxism of course, as the billboard clearly shows, the govt lies and the people die.

Stossel did a episode on the American Indians.

The U.S. Government threw free money at them and that took away the desire to

make money on their own.

BTW, i see you have very few flags.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta


Stossel did a episode on the American Indians.

The U.S. Government threw free money at them and that took away the desire to

make money on their own.

BTW, i see you have very few flags.

Kind of tough to make your own money when your land has been taken from you and her natural resources that your people once depended on raped in the name of greed.


Also you have to start threads to get flags, many good members here simply don't like to start threads.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

Are the American Indians pro gun control? I didn't know that. I do know the Democratic National Convention trotted them out with flags as a show off that they have Indians in their corner as a voting bloc. And who would have ever guessed that? Lame Cherry blog talked about the Indian connection with the casinos and how white politicians were completely crooked about it.
But it really makes sense for indigenous peoples to be whatever the Power Elite wants them to be as the UN has recruited them as being the downtrodden finally rising up. This is more Marxism of course, as the billboard clearly shows, the govt lies and the people die.

Stossel did a episode on the American Indians.

The U.S. Government threw free money at them and that took away the desire to

make money on their own.

BTW, i see you have very few flags.

what flags...what...me? I have the American flag....it's not always visible, but always there....

a hint though, if you look at the location under my avatar, you will see that I reside in the New Atlantis, which was Francis Bacon's term for America.

Seriously though. I have not created any threads, though I do have an idea for one. I've never seen anyone talk about it but me. I am in research phase.

reply to post by jrod

Kind of tough to make your own money when your land has been taken from you and her natural resources

The UN is taking the land away from all of us. I think the Indian land thing is a Trojan horse because there is still land in trust for Indians, and they will put more land in trust. The thing is when you let the UN put your land in trust, they have control of it. When people get money from the govt to put portions of their private land in conservation easements, they give up control of that land. Why would it be different for the Indians? However, the Indians are like the spotted owl, a species to be protected, and the way to do that is to take that land and make it so no one can use it.
It is really diabolical, and I do not for one minute think they truly care about indigenous peoples, as the plan is to depopulate the entire world till there are only 500 million people.

Anyway, gun control and conservation easements are part of the same crazy plot.

reply to post by Galvatron

Please read the thread. Everything you said has been, for the most part, adequately refuted. The Native Americans were wiped out for a myriad of reasons, fireapower being way way down on the list.

Don't think so the Native American's feel prey to a superior military force that was better armed.

Should sound familiar since the cops,and the military all have better weapons than us little people.

TO: MUSE7
Your 'Red flag and Workers Party' tells everyhing about you...

From your friends:
"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?" - Joseph Stalin

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."Adolf Hitler

reply to post by neo96


It was basically a lack of unity. You have to take into account that the Native Americans were using, for the most part, modern small arms too. Either traded for or looted off of the dead. Sure they didn't have cannon and Gatling guns (which were never really used/deployed properly or to great effect), but the type of warfare they engaged in made artillery and cannon, for the most part, useless. If you look at engagements where the native American's met US forces in roughly equal numbers and, more importantly, as a unified and clearly led force, the outcome wasn't certain. Meaning they were well matched. This goes all the way back to the French and Indian war, too. It's not as though the US Cavalry had such superior firepower that they could enter an engagement outnumbered 3:1 or even 2:1 and expect come out on top.

Things like disease, the systematic destruction of hunting territory and game herds, playing tribes off of each other through bribery and temporary political concessions played a much much larger role in the destruction of the Native American people than firearms could ever approach. The disparity between armament wasn't that big.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Galvatron

 

Please read the thread. Everything you said has been, for the most part, adequately refuted. The Native Americans were wiped out for a myriad of reasons, fireapower being way way down on the list.

Don't think so the Native American's feel prey to a superior military force that was better armed.

Should sound familiar since the cops,and the military all have better weapons than us little people.

Explain Little Big Horn, the battle of Wabash River, the great Sioux war and many many other battles they won. They lost the war because of the lack of unification and there were also battles among other tribes which did not help.

Another contributing factor was that they were prone to the white mans disease so many surcame to disease.

reply to post by tnhiker

1/3 Cherokee here

How are you....

I mean....

Parents..... uhm.... you....

Divisible by....

er....

Lineage..... multiple of 2....


WHAT?

reply to post by Galvatron

temporary political concessions played a much much larger role

I can just see it now...."get behind gun control and we'll give back some of the land"