Protection from the antiship missile "Yakhont" does not exist

One my instructors at Corry Station talked quite a bit about that exercise (or another similar one). Never had the opportunity to participate in anything like that, just saw MM-40s in their tubes on various ships. My only calim to fame was being the first EW to detect a new Iranian sub (Yunes) about 4 years ago. Snoop Tray variant which stuck out like a sore thumb. Picked it off 67 NM away from our formation coming out of the Straits of Hormuz.

Originally posted by SeaBass
Your post is based on opinion and semi-factual information. Countermeasure tactics have been developed and are in place.

bingo. CIWS and other countermeasures and make any anti ship missle that ivan has its bitch

if a ship did get close enough to fire at a CBG it would be dected and destroyed in a matter of moments. it might get a few missles off but none to do serious damage to a CBG

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
if a ship did get close enough to fire at a CBG it would be dected and destroyed in a matter of moments. it might get a few missles off but none to do serious damage to a CBG

hey! crazy macdonalds

yeah, especially that 200 kiloton Mosquito anti ship missile

The US Navy has many ways to combat such missiles. Many of you have pointed out those: Phalanx, Ram, Sparrow,ESSM. But the big daddy is the Standard Missile 2.
They don't call them STANDARD for nothing!

[Edited on 12-7-03 by Walt]

Originally posted by Walt
The US Navy has many ways to combat such missiles. Many of you have pointed out those: Phalanx, Ram, Sparrow,ESSM. But the big daddy is the Standard Missile 2.
They don't call them STANDARD for nothing!

[Edited on 12-7-03 by Walt]

really? do you have protection against the VA-111 underwater rocket with a speed of 360 kph ?
though so.. russia sold them to china not so long ago btw.

The Shkval is a sub-killer, particularly if it's fitted with a tactical nuclear warhead. Some in the West consider this torpedo a "revenge weapon" because any Russian ship that launched a nuclear-tipped Shkval against a target only a few miles away would also succumb to the shock wave.
The Russian's claimed that the sinking of the sub "Kursk" had been caused by a collision with one of the foreign subs in the vicinity, this assertion was dismissed in the West. The scuttlebutt in Pentagon circles was that the sinking was precipitated by an explosion during a test of an improved version of the Shkval torpedo.
The Russians are selling the Shkval to anyone with the money to buy them. I would guess NATO has already purchased enough to backward engineer it!
Besides, If it were that good of a weapon, Why would Russians sell it instead of keeping it secret?

All-in-All Still no match for the US NAVY!

So let them keep testing this great weapon, and soon there want be any Russian Subs Left

[Edited on 12-7-03 by Walt]

Originally posted by Walt
Why would Russians sell it instead of keeping it secret?

export version shkval-e

Stranger I see from your profile you live in Isreal and you seem so keen for the US military to get its ass whipped by the PRC. Obviously this would break the US as the world hyperpower, so would the US still be willing/able to bankroll Isreal after such a crushing defeat? If the US goes down Isreal would go down shortly afterwards, dont you realise the US is a good (or at least should be) thing as far as your'e country is concerned.

Originally posted by $tranger

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
if a ship did get close enough to fire at a CBG it would be dected and destroyed in a matter of moments. it might get a few missles off but none to do serious damage to a CBG

hey! crazy macdonalds

yeah, especially that 200 kiloton Mosquito anti ship missile

these can be intersepted by ship launched SAM missles. not to mention that carrier born aircraft and shoot em down too. Read "Red Storm Rising" and youll find out. and not to mention that a 200 kiloton missle fried at a us CBG will probally constitue a similar responce on our part. probally a more destructive on at that. IVAN HAS NOTHING ON US! its that simple.

Torpedos that break the sound barrier are real. They are called supercavitating torpedo. This torpedo I am talking about can travel 15 kilometers in 10 seconds. The torpedo gets its inital thrust from the sub's onboard rockets engine. The torpedo maintains its high speed by emitting a gas through nozzels in its nose. The gas envelops the torpedo, encasing it inside a bubble of water vapor. Ocean water flows around the bubble, exerting almost no drag on the torpedo, which slams into its target at or near the speed of sound. Directional control could be accomplished by vectoring like on some jet fighters. The US has not found out yet how to keep the bubble intact while turning. The US has already launched a super-cativating torpedo that has broke the sound barrier.

Here's a link with a drawing and some info:

www.onr.navy.mil...

Originally posted by Walt
The US Navy has many ways to combat such missiles. Many of you have pointed out those: Phalanx, Ram, Sparrow,ESSM. But the big daddy is the Standard Missile 2.
They don't call them STANDARD for nothing!

[Edited on 12-7-03 by Walt]

Also other countries have defense against missiles

Goalkeeper CIWS

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Yakhont has a 200kg warhead - www.fas.org... - it is difficult to see how 2 of these are going to render any carrier unfir for action.

AFAIK so far the only ship sunk by a Shkval was Kurst!!

Dang, I guess a computer aimed rail gun is too slow.
Hey what about all those orbital.......oh yeah..nothing.The only technology that could possibly exist all admirals know about it....right?