Pain for thee but not for me! Obamacare exemptions for Lawmakers??

reply to post by jibeho


The thing is new medicines and procedures are being developed every day. You might not have good prognosis for treatment now, but five years from now your disease or condition may be totally curable. So the Obama doctor may kill you off just as the cure for your disease becomes available.

Wealthy people come from all over the world to enjoy the amazing fruits of America's medical system....................................While poor Americans die unable to pay for the same treatment.

I went into the ER one night with stomach pains. They found nothing wrong even though I was in pain so bad that I was sweating too much for them to keep the electrical contacts on me for the heart monitor. I came out of the ER three hours later owing the hospital $11,000.00, the ER Doctor $7,000.00, and the Radio Imaging Lab $2,000.00.

Originally posted by cholo

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by cholo
This is way America needs to bight the bullet and start a universal healthcare program and leave the old insurance model as an alternative. It's all too convienent

WTF??? Why?

The "old" model just happened to be the premier healthcare system on the globe, and now we have to ruin it for everyone so that a slim minority can get free healthcare? (Which they already had at any ER in the nation)

That's a nice cross you have there.

The old model is sub par and nearly twice as expensive. A great many bankruptcies are due to medical
Bills. Tens of millions of people can not afford insurance or any long term medical treatment.
Medicare has much lower operating costs than private insurance. Because I am a Christian and
Believe it right to combat human suffering.

They do not treat long term illness in the ER and it is five to ten times more expensive than regular care. The ER is no free BTW, the ER is always billed to the patient, you are conflating the fact that they have to see patients
With the notion that it is free.

edit on 25-4-2013 by cholo because: (no reason given)

So let me get this straight...

We combat human suffering for a few by making everyone suffer equally???

Originally posted by cholo

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Do you even know what the PROFIT MARGIN of healthcare insurance is? Do you know the fundamental difference between "profits" and "profit margin"? This is Econ 101.

Do you know that profit increases cost for you and me? Did you know that there are
At least several other million ways to profit on this Earth? Maybe we can be bigger people
Decide that this sliver of society can be molded for the idea of what's good, not for
What's profitable. I don see how that would hurt anyone.

So is that a yes or no?

Do you know the fundamental difference between profit and profit margin?

So there would be a "brain drain" on the Hill should they be subjected to Obamacare same as the rest of us peons? Too funny... It would take one giant sized enema for a brain drain of all those critters on the Hill as that is where their brains are...up their anal orifices. I'm sure Cheney got treated like a King during his transplant dealy. How many of us average citizens will ever even be put on such a list.

As someone mentioned here too...generic meds are for the most part, not as good as regular. Wealthy big shots can buy whatever they want/need while the rest of use get whatever. You can bet the Hill folks don't have long waiting times in the ER too, as the rest of us do. One night, my BP was 250/110 and still had to wait next to a garbage can filled with someones puke. I just can't picture any Congress critters or Senators being treated like that.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I heard Justice Roberts wants excemption too or his staff will walk...thanks Bob!!

reply to post by Granite


Yeah, Congress actually isn't trying to get an exemption from Obamacare. In fact, they went out of their way to add an express provision saying legislators' health plans will be on the new ACA insurance exchanges. They're just trying to solve a minor administrative issue (figuring out how to get federal government employees on the exchanges today when those exchanges aren't designed to accommodate large employers for another four years).

95% of ATS posters aren't going to be able to get through this article, but I'll just throw it out there on the off-chance a reasonable person is glancing at this thread:

www.washingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

So let me get this straight...

We combat human suffering for a few by making everyone suffer equally???

No, we were already suffering equally because (prior to Obamacare) all taxpayers were subsidizing a ludicrously expensive and unnecessary national "program" that provided most people with health care via emergency-room visits.

Government run or managed health care is no different than government administered water. It is just another method of controlling the citizens of this once great country. And since the controllers don't want to be controlled, they simply opt themselves out. Make no mistake...over the years to come, health care will we used as a weapon to silence those to oppose them. It is one step closer to them simply collecting your pay and giving you an allowance. That will be the final nail in our coffins. Everything we do will be for the government and the government controls will control everything we do. THIS has been the "progressive" agenda forever. And once that level of control is in place, America will not be a two party system anymore and the constitution will be destroyed.

And ATS falls for the old hook line and sinker! again.

In the land of tyranny, this makes perfect sense.

Those complicit in "fundamental change" fully realize they are in a 'class' above us. The only thing between us and them is tens of millions of idiots... they're also called Americans.

People just don't understand what is happening or they just don't care. And we have the media to thank for that.

reply to post by groingrinder


I had a similar experience.

I had a migraine for four days and finally went to the ER since the two different meds the doc prescribed didnt work. I had an MRI, they took blood and they gave me fluids. The visit lasted a little over an hour. The total cost was around $8000. Even after insurance covered their portion, I still owed over $1500 out of my own pocket!!

And the kicker, after all that, the only thing that worked was a tiny triangular pill called Imitrex. That was the only migraine I've ever had.

Originally posted by buckrogerstime

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

So let me get this straight...

We combat human suffering for a few by making everyone suffer equally???

No, we were already suffering equally because (prior to Obamacare) all taxpayers were subsidizing a ludicrously expensive and unnecessary national "program" that provided most people with health care via emergency-room visits.

And so things are better now that my premium is going to go up by 7,500 - 10,500 per year?

How exactly is that a benefit to me?

Originally posted by Granite
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I heard Justice Roberts wants excemption too or his staff will walk...thanks Bob!!

John Roberts...

the only Republican to vote for Obamacare.

Originally posted by muse7
And ATS falls for the old hook line and sinker! again.

Instead of posting a statement that attacks all of those who have already posted, why don't you intelligently explain your positioning on the article presented in the OP?

premier

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Premier? By what measurement? the amount of money the insurance companies make?

No, it is well known American healthcare is not the best in the world. When Americans are flying overseas to have procedures done because the cost of said procedure+the flight+the recuperation/vacation is less than paying at home you know something is seriously wrong. As long as American health is in the hands of those who seek profit we will be in trouble.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
And so things are better now that my premium is going to go up by 7,500 - 10,500 per year?

How exactly is that a benefit to me?

Premiums for people who were already insured will temporarily rise for next year, and then instantly start decreasing until they hit rate increases that are comparable to pre-ACA premiums (~6%).

Meanwhile, most Americans will have access to actual preventative health care.

You need to look at the bigger picture. Even if you're purely self-interested, the continuing health of the population and work force impacts you in significant ways.

I could say public roads aren't a benefit to me because I stay inside.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by cholo
This is way America needs to bight the bullet and start a universal healthcare program and leave the old insurance model as an alternative. It's all too convienent

WTF??? Why?

The "old" model just happened to be the premier healthcare system on the globe, and now we have to ruin it for everyone so that a slim minority can get free healthcare? (Which they already had at any ER in the nation)

Uh, I don't know what planet you live on but our healthcare system is/was far from "premier".

I have what the media calls a "Cadillac" healthcare plan, and I still can't afford to go to the doctor. I have a pretty low deductible, but I don't have enough money to pay it. If anything major happened to me, I'd be instantly in debt. I own my own home and my car is paid for. Most of ATS would not consider me "poor".

I mean, what good is insurance if you can't afford the deductible?

Even then, if I *do* need to go to the ER I will have to sit and wait for HOURS.

My insurance is supposedly "really good", but I'm stuck with generic drugs that honestly don't work as well as the name brand.

My doctors are paid shills for the insurance companies, and are not aggressive at treating things at all. Doctors will get dropped as a "Preferred Provider" if they order expensive tests and labs all the time. Meanwhile, conditions are overlooked and fall through the cracks.

So don't tell me we have a "premier" healthcare system. I shell out big bucks every month for basically something I can't afford anyway.

Well, you can't afford the deductible; I can't even afford the co-pay!!! I need to see two different specialist right now, but that would mean giving up a fill up for gas to get to work the next week! So... I suffer in silence.

I think this is "their" way of weeding out the poor; hoping we will die of some disease that was never treated because we couldn't afford to go to the doctor. They have to come up with some plan to get rid of people right? The world is over-populated. This is their solution, I suppose.

I was about to go to bed, but this has me soooooo freakin' PISSED OFF, I won't be able to sleep now!
Nothing gets under my skin quicker than those #%##@#^$$%$@@^$^&%^@#$#%$^% in Washington!!!

I need to calm down. I can't allow myself to have a stroke because I can't afford to go to the hospital!!!!!!!!!!

The'special' folk always exempt themselves from anything they thing is 'below themselves'.

Is it a rumour or is it true that paliamentarians in the UK have a smoking room and the same applies in Washington for their 'special' smokers? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Originally posted by Elliot
The'special' folk always exempt themselves from anything they thing is 'below themselves'.

Is it a rumour or is it true that paliamentarians in the UK have a smoking room and the same applies in Washington for their 'special' smokers? Please correct me if I am wrong.

In the UK, a law does not bind the Crown unless it is specifically stated in the Act. Few include this provision and I do not believe the Health Act 2006 does either.

In this context, "the Crown" will extend to Crown servants and Crown properties. The UK Parliament sits at the Palace of Westminster which is a Crown property, so the smoking ban does not apply there. However, the members of both Houses stated that they would prohibit smoking in the Parliament building anyway.

Whether they've set up some little discrete corner anyway... who can say. Probably.

reply to post by buckrogerstime


I read this the other day from Forbes

[url=http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/04/25/is-congress-really-attempting-a-last-minute-end-run-to-exempt-itself-from-obamacare/]Forbes[/url ]

Here what happened the dems did exempt themselves from the original ACA (aka Obama-Care) , that is until glassy added his amendment to the law to include all federal employees, Congress and staff. The dems really didn't read the bill then or the for that matter read or the understand amendment by glassy until now. That is until Harry made his address last week as damage control.

The fact of the matter is Harry is hoping they can get a back door exemption from the OPM. As Forbes stated it would be political suicide even if the OPM did grant an exemption. In short congressional members , staff along with fed employees will be at the exchanges. I guess now its a matter how much congressional members, staff and fed employees will get subsidized, unless the OPM exempts them. If they do them congress can just say it was the OPM, not us.

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