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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:01 AM
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This is way America needs to bight the bullet and start a universal healthcare program and leave the old insurance model as an alternative. It's all too convienent




posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by cholo
This is way America needs to bight the bullet and start a universal healthcare program and leave the old insurance model as an alternative. It's all too convienent


WTF??? Why?

The "old" model just happened to be the premier healthcare system on the globe, and now we have to ruin it for everyone so that a slim minority can get free healthcare? (Which they already had at any ER in the nation)



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by rockintitz
How about, all federal employees, and ONLY federal employees, take this bill for a four-year trial run. If they can handle it, then maybe.

Actually, still no.


I was wondering if federal employees could handle having health insurance and access to a doctor too.
I bet they can't, give my prayer and Vitamin C any day!



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by cholo
This is way America needs to bight the bullet and start a universal healthcare program and leave the old insurance model as an alternative. It's all too convienent


WTF??? Why?

The "old" model just happened to be the premier healthcare system on the globe, and now we have to ruin it for everyone so that a slim minority can get free healthcare? (Which they already had at any ER in the nation)


That's a nice cross you have there.

The old model is sub par and nearly twice as expensive. A great many bankruptcies are due to medical
Bills. Tens of millions of people can not afford insurance or any long term medical treatment.
Medicare has much lower operating costs than private insurance. Because I am a Christian and
Believe it right to combat human suffering.

They do not treat long term illness in the ER and it is five to ten times more expensive than regular care. The ER is no free BTW, the ER is always billed to the patient, you are conflating the fact that they have to see patients
With the notion that it is free.
edit on 25-4-2013 by cholo because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by cholo
This is way America needs to bight the bullet and start a universal healthcare program and leave the old insurance model as an alternative. It's all too convienent


WTF??? Why?

The "old" model just happened to be the premier healthcare system on the globe, and now we have to ruin it for everyone so that a slim minority can get free healthcare? (Which they already had at any ER in the nation)


premier healthcare system of the world??? maybe 50 years ago....but the insurance companies wanted to make more profits off of sick people, and the wealthy who actually run this country got their way. "we the people" has long since been replaced by "we the wealthy"
the difference between "rich" and "wealthy".....Lebron James is rich, the guy that signs his pay check is wealthy



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:16 AM
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Do you even know what the PROFIT MARGIN of healthcare insurance is? Do you know the fundamental difference between "profits" and "profit margin"? This is Econ 101.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
Haha, usually I try and find an opposite argument but in this case I can't.

Throw them all out and start over.

There is absolutely no justification for this type of behavior.


How utterly!Do i agree? Emphatically!
And i was beginning to think there was no hope for you too!!

Your sentiment is appropriate.....no we just have to tweak your perceptions slightly and youll be a died in the wool ATSer veteran.
Awake, aware, and puzzled as hell

Has anybody taken the time to actually figure out what they are deducting from all of you?
There chance they are taking a lttle extra ever occur to anyone?
maybe they need some more DUMB funding or ?
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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Do you even know what the PROFIT MARGIN of healthcare insurance is? Do you know the fundamental difference between "profits" and "profit margin"? This is Econ 101.


Do you know that profit increases cost for you and me? Did you know that there are
At least several other million ways to profit on this Earth? Maybe we can be bigger people
Decide that this sliver of society can be molded for the idea of what's good, not for
What's profitable. I don see how that would hurt anyone.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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This is crazy. I can't afford health care, or medications as is. I agree with the person who suggested the four year test drive. Definatly a good choice. Let them use the system they built as it is, and see if they like it.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by cholo
This is way America needs to bight the bullet and start a universal healthcare program and leave the old insurance model as an alternative. It's all too convienent


WTF??? Why?

The "old" model just happened to be the premier healthcare system on the globe, and now we have to ruin it for everyone so that a slim minority can get free healthcare? (Which they already had at any ER in the nation)


Uh, I don't know what planet you live on but our healthcare system is/was far from "premier".

I have what the media calls a "Cadillac" healthcare plan, and I still can't afford to go to the doctor. I have a pretty low deductible, but I don't have enough money to pay it. If anything major happened to me, I'd be instantly in debt. I own my own home and my car is paid for. Most of ATS would not consider me "poor".

I mean, what good is insurance if you can't afford the deductible?

Even then, if I *do* need to go to the ER I will have to sit and wait for HOURS.

My insurance is supposedly "really good", but I'm stuck with generic drugs that honestly don't work as well as the name brand.

My doctors are paid shills for the insurance companies, and are not aggressive at treating things at all. Doctors will get dropped as a "Preferred Provider" if they order expensive tests and labs all the time. Meanwhile, conditions are overlooked and fall through the cracks.

So don't tell me we have a "premier" healthcare system. I shell out big bucks every month for basically something I can't afford anyway.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 11:55 AM
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People this is what they do: create a problem so they can offer a "solution" and complicate the hell out of it, and always exempt themselves.

Laws are only for the serfs, the lords, and ladies are always "above" it all.

Law makers already have the best healthcare in the country, figures not even they would screw that up.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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This is why I advocate voting third party across the board in elections and at the very least against the incumbent. I support term limits in Congress as well (why isn't this topic discussed more often?) We need to stand up and tell Congress we've had enough of them bending us over.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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I think enough is enough.

Are they really trying this? It must be a test.
If doesn't rage Americans, I don't know what will!

If lawmakers aren't willing to follow the law then they shouldn't force it on everyone. If I was a lawmaker , you're damn right I would be the first one to abide unconditionally to the laws I voted for. What's so hard in that anyway?

Those half a brains in power do not deserve this power, power should be given not taken, ESPECIALLY not taken by force (AKA money). Democracy my A$$.

Totally redo or abolish the national government, you seriously don't need them.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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Democrats and Republicans have got to go. By whatever legal means necessary. America cannot survive this idiocy!


These criminal gangsters are going to be the death of our country! It is time to replace them with people who love America more than they love power and money. The clock is ticking.........



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Oh wait perhaps there is another side to this story -- ya think. Hair smoke is pretty thick around here



The story has blown up on Twitter. “Unbelievable,” tweets TPM’s Brian Beutler. “Flat out incredible,” says Politico’s Ben White. “Obamacare for thee, but not for me,” snarks Ben Domenech. “Two thumbs way, way down,” says Richard Roeper. (Okay, I made the last one up). If this sounds unbelievable, it’s because it is. There’s no effort to “exempt” Congress from Obamacare. No matter how this shakes out, Congress will have to follow the law, just like everyone else does.



www.washingtonpost.com...

And perhaps because you really need to know this --

obamacarefacts.com...



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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The lawmakers know what lies ahead and if Dr. Manny is right the lawmakers would be shaking in their boots if they knew the had to follow Obamacare to the letter.

Behold the Mortality Index... Better hope you earn the right score when you fall ill and need treatment...

A new study from the University of California, San Francisco with funding from the federal government revealed 12 specific items physicians can use to help them determine whether costly screenings or medical procedures are worth the risk for patients unlikely to live 10 years or more.

Using a point system, the different factors include an individual’s age, weight, smoking habits, previous cancer diagnoses, whether or not he or she gets winded easily, and more. The more points a person has, the higher the chance of dying within the next decade.

RELATED: Your chances of dying by 2023? New test offers up clues

As I read about this new index, one thing I found particularly amusing was a quote from one of the study’s authors, which stated that this index was not meant to alter a patient’s lifestyle. So the way I read this is that doctors using this point system will decide what patients may or may not get in terms of their future medical treatment – and that’s not right.

As to which doctors will be using this system, I cannot say for sure. Are these doctors going to be doctors in family practices and in rural America, or are these doctors going to be physicians employed by the insurance industry or perhaps federal medical boards like Medicaid and Medicare? It’s a question I’m curious about.



Read more: www.foxnews.com...



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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Okay, enough is enough on this nonsense. Now they are in "sensitive talks" to exempt not only themselves but their staffers! EXCUSE ME? This law we've been told will be the greatest thing since sliced bread and the cat's meow for our ailing health system turns out to be a wild tiger they can't stand?


Almost funny if it weren't so true. A wild tiger indeed! They should have read the bill before they passed it. This is what happens when you have ideologues with a radical idea and people who think they have to agree with the party line no matter how offensive it is.
The bill was never intended to do the right thing. Socialists think they are going to save the world with this nonsense but it only makes things worse and they refuse to admit it's an unworkable plan, incredibly expensive and monstrously bad. So they instead exempt themselves and all their crony friends.
Let's throw the bath water out shall we? It's dirty as all get out.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Congress already had their own Cadillac health care plans and most of them have plenty of cash to pay for it too, since they gave themselves raises a while back, and now they can have unfettered insider trading thanks to their good buddy Obama.

So what makes you think they ever expected to be subject to Obamacare in the first place?



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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Insurance originated by organized criminal gangs to protect racketeering schemes. Now as an American we are forced to buy all sorts of insurance if you want to be part of the 'great' society.

No surprise that the mobsters once again found a way to exempt themselves from the common peasant..i mean citizen's laws. They've been doing it for years.

We have the numbers to make real changes, just very few who are willing to do more than rant in an online forum about it.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 04:48 PM
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For what's worth, after checking on this situation, I just finished emailing my two senators and calling my rep's office to voice my displeasure at this travesty.

How many of you will do the same?





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