I apologize to wildtimes for this off-topic jaunt, but I want to clear things up with BlueMule.
reply to post by BlueMule
You're right. I did get impatient. I asked you to elaborate on a statement you made (because I wanted to know) and instead of just explaining in plain
English what you meant, I felt that I was led on a wild goose chase complete with clues, innuendo, esoteric statement, questions in response to
questions and YouTube videos, but no real response.
The truth is: I think religion is an invention of man to explain the whys and hows of life. That's my opinion. You disagree, apparently. If you care
to explain why, I'll certainly listen, but I'm not going to "pull" it out of you one word or post at a time. If you want to tell me, tell me. If not,
that's OK, too.
I was genuinely interested in what you meant by religion being a "collective reaction to a stimulus", but I don't know what the stimulus was, nor the
reaction. Was the reaction spontaneous? How do you think religion came about? That's all I was asking. I don't get it. I don't understand your opinion
and I wanted to. I was simply asking for further explanation of your statement. You repeated that it's a reaction and it's more like a song than a
scream... What the heck does that mean? That explains NOTHING to me.
And then you quoted a poet... I wanted YOUR opinion, not a quote from a mystic. I told you I didn't understand. When I said, "I wouldn't understand
anyway", it was because I don't understand a lot of the esoteric and philosophical way that people communicate sometimes. Saying "It's more like a
song" might mean something to you, but I am not in your head and I don't know what that means. I prefer common English. Straightforward and clear
communication. When I told you that I didn't understand, You /shrugged. And posted a couple of YouTube videos.
You blew me off. That's fine, too. I restated that I didn't understand. And then you started asking me questions about what I had said instead of
simply explaining your opinion. That's when I lost patience and lost interest in exploring your opinion. I said as much and explained why. I was
"done" at that point and moved on. Pages later, you started an argument with me about Jediism, of all things! And I reiterated that I wasn't
interested in the game you were playing. If you have to "work your way up" to answering a VERY simple question, honestly, I don't have the patience
for it, especially when you don't even use your own words and thoughts.
Honestly, I have no more patience for mysticism than I do for religion. It's the same thing, to me. You have yet to explain in plain English what you
mean by "religion is a collective reaction to a stimulus". That's fine. I feel that this is not the thread to start down that particular rabbit hole
again. But I wanted to clarify my position and tell you the reasons for my responses.
I'm not TRYING to be an asshat. It just happens naturally sometimes. If you want to point me to your beliefs about this or start another thread about
it, let me know. I'll be happy to read it. But I'm not interested in getting into a philosophical and mystical discussion about it. I have my opinion.
I wanted to hear yours. Simple.
Again, I apologize for the wordy and off-topic trip.
I just saw this and wanted to add to my novel...
reply to post by BlueMule
Originally posted by BlueMule
I try to listen and size people up before I pounce. I try to get a ballpark idea of where people are coming from. I ask questions that are intended to
give me an idea of what someone means by key terms without triggering their defenses, and that in turn might give me a glimmer of a weakness in them
in case I choose to engage. I make statements with key words that might provoke a response and then I gauge the response. I try to calculate whether
one is a grasshopper or not.
This calculated approach to discussion is exactly what I cannot stand. You approach a discussion with the intention to "pounce". You play around with
words, trying to find the other person's "weakness" without "triggering their defenses". "Engage", "provoke", "calculate"...
Jesus! This isn't a battle, it's a freaking discussion. I think I picked up on your calculated approach and wanted no part of it. Call me impatient,
but I don't appreciate being played with, as a cat plays with a mouse. VERY insulting, IMO.
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