Greek Myths and Epic Poems (Odyssey, Ilias) Actually Took Place in the Baltic Sea and Scandinavia

reply to post by PsykoOps


It depends if they were legends from an indo-european speaking people or not. That part of the IE cultural expansion was rather ruthless in making sure only "their way" remained.

reply to post by Cabin


Finally the truth came out...
S&f.
Italians do it better.

Here's a thought: Perhaps that Scandinavians actually did the whole adventure of the Iliad and Odyssey, but it filtered down to the Greeks who added in a similar battle where the historical Troy happened?

I also kind of think that this Vinci fellow is reaching a bit, but It could be possible.

reply to post by Cabin


Hate to break it to you but troy has been found and Heinrich Schliemann was the rediscoverer so while it is possible there was some cross culture talk the norse and macedonians/classic greek's are actually different people, look at the Abyssal sump a huge (and I mean huge) circular indentation in the mediterranean near the isthmus of gibraltar and think when the mediterranean was flooding (6 million year's ago) could there not have been a match with the legend of scylla and charybdis (the serpent - strong current and the monster that eat's ships - whirlpool) and is it not possible that the actual flooding and collapse of the isthmus may have been much more recent, Just saying.

Maybe it is just a compilation piece. Several stories put together and some Homer spin thrown in.

reply to post by LABTECH767


In addition to the problems you point out, there's the problem of when the stories appear. The Norse areas did not develop runic writing until after 150 AD. Homer lived some 900 years before that event -- the Iliad and Odyssey were composed somewhere around 800-700 BC.

There are no large cities up there from that era and no sign of large-scale warfare around them. There are, however, many indications of long periods of large-scale warfare around ancient Troy.

reply to post by Byrd


I am not going to mock this thread though as it does have a good method of sparking an interesting debate so it worthy of a star, as for the lack of evidence of large northern settlement's, true but most of there dwelling's were of wooden construction so left few trace's, as the colder north slowly warmed it allowed civilisation and new culture to spread west and north but around the Mediterranean the longevity of settled culture gave rise to organised city state's while the northern barbarian's were fighting a harsh environment and required different cultural tactic's to survive, something tells me there are still lost culture's and indeed civilisation to be found in central Europe and western Eurasia, remember how the Hittite civilisation suddenly appeared in the middle east and only after a long time was there language finally decoded as though they used the ancient Sumerian cuneiform script they spoke an unknown language that turned out to be a precursor of the most unlikely modern language's German and English as it was a proto indo European language, remember they appeared at the end of the bronze age with a militaristic culture like a disposed army and conquered nearly all before them but they also brought the first Iron weapon's to the field of war posing the interesting question, Did they originate in Europe or Eurasia from an unknown civilisation that at least metallurgicaly was more advanced than the ancient entrenched culture's they swept before them.

Originally posted by Noinden

Originally posted by Pink Panther
Ogygia was the ancient name for Ireland, not far from England. Dah! If you look into Irish legends and history you'll find that out. Also the Phoenicians were from Scythia originally, they probably derived the name from Phoeniusa Farsaidh an ancient King of Scythia. The Phoenicians were the ancestors of the Irish.

No, just no.

Genetically the Irish (and the rest of Britian) is mostly still Paleolithic settlers. Linguistically Irish in all its forms is an Indo-European language, Pheonician (and its daughter Corrinth) are Semetic. Scythians were a nomadic Indo-European speaking folk, from Irian (Persia, as Indo-Eurpean). One should not rely on pagan myths that were recorded by Monks as being unbiased. These same monks made Scotia, dauighter of a Pharo, the Lia Fáil (one of the four treasures of the Tuatha) was her fathers pillow.

Much becomes clear when one sees the "Tuatha de Danaan" is Irish for "Tribe of Dan". "Jeremoi" (Jeremy) is Irish for Jeremiah. And the 4 treasures spoken of were princesses Jeremiah brought from the descendants of David (Nebuchadezzar only killed the male heirs to the thrown of David) to Ireland as the thrown was relocated with them away from Jerusalem in addition to the royal coronation stone (Jacob's pillar stone became the Stone of Scone/Destiny) used to conronate all Kings of Israel/England.

Ireland is where the small group of the Tribe of Dan went to after they fleed Israel during the occupation of Philitia (just prior to the raising of Sampson to Judge). A few generations later Jeremiah was comissioned to reestablish the thrown of David by bringing the royal bloodline (4 treasures/princesses) to the princes of Dan so a blood born heir to the Thrown of David (Judite) can rule over Israelites (in this case Dan) as God commanded forever.

Knowing that the "Danoi" in Homer's poem's most likely referred to the "Danites" and there location being in Ireland around 1200 BCE (+-100 years, just prior to Sampson) I can see the OP actually making an accurate breakthrough in our understanding of the migrations of the "barbarians" Rome would have you believe the peoples of the North were. I tend to agree with the OP regarding the location of the epic of the Iliad.

God Bless,

reply to post by ElohimJD


Again NO JUST NO. Stop trying to shoehorn a semetic myth onto an Indo-european one, it would be like making french Sushi, or Mexican Curry, it really tastes funny and is not meant to be.

Norse gods came from the greek, most Greek gods came from Ancient India, Ancient India's gods came from legends of real kings in even more ancient (and mostly forgotten) times.

To me, one of the clearest indicators of this is the Dorje, a Sanskrit word meaning "thunderbolt", which I believe was a real weapon used by forgotten kings in ancient times. I believe it is possible to use this weapon to see the mythology spreading from Ancient India to the Norse.

The Dorje was first mentioned in ancient India's Rigveda where it was a weapon used by the god Indra, then it later on was the weapon of the Ancient Greek god Zeus, then the weapon of the Ancient Roman god Saturn, and finally the Norse god Thor.

Another example is the Trishula which was the Ancient India god's trident, then later the greek sea god Poseidon, and later on the the Roman god of the sea Neptune.

Originally posted by anonentity
reply to post by Cabin

 

Yes the stars mentioned in the Iliad can only be seen from northern Briton

All the stars visible from northern Britain are also visible from Turkey

However, some of the stars visible from Turkey are not visible from Britain.

reply to post by MerkabaMeditation


That would figure as you'd have had a sheet of ice coming down as far as the lattitude of london, so when it receded,and the "Compressed" people migrated and settled areas that were verdent after the ice melted would have all been people of similar extraction.

reply to post by LABTECH767


Troy could have been the word for many cities like medina is the word for many rivers.